Warner: Christians, NRA members. prolifers and homeschoolers are a threat to America

In between the comments that are literally spelled out in the video, he seems to be saying, "But it's not just them." Am I hearing that correctly?

He doesn't sound comfortable with special interest groups dominating his party's platform. Help me see the horror you sense in this.

(and believe me, I'm quite familiar with being considered an infidel among those who should be my own - I can't be bothered)

More Republican deception--Michele, honestly, can't you at least make a tiny effort to be fair? Here's what the Virginia newspaper the Augusta Free Press had to say about the controversy shortly after the Democratic National Convention.

" . . . First, here’s what Jim Gilmore [former Republican governor of Virginia and Warner's current opponent] really, really wants you to know that Mark Warner said on May 25, 1994 [fourteen years ago!] in a speech to the National Jewish Democratic Council. `One of the things you are going to see is a coalition that is just about completely taken over the Republican Party in this state, and if they have their way it’s going to take over state government. It is made up of the Christian Coalition, but not just them. It is made up of the right-to-lifers, but not just them. It’s made up of the NRA, but not just them. It is made up of the home schoolers, but not just them. It’s made up of a whole coalition of people that have all sorts of differing views that I think most of us in this room would find threatening to what it means to be an American.'

“`He wants to be darn sure that his words don’t get out to the people of Virginia. He wants to be able to buy advertising and hope that the press will continue to push his issues the way they have,' Gilmore told reporters after stepping down from the stage, and AFTER WARNER HIMSELF HAD CHIDED HIMSELF IN A TALK WITH REPORTERS FOR BEING `OVER THE TOP' IN MAKING THE STATEMENT, EVEN AS HE SAID HE DIDN'T RECALL THE OCCASION. [Emphasis mine]

"The intent of the Gilmore camp in drawing attention to the comment is clear. Warner has made his name in Virginia and national politics as a self-styled `radical centrist' and rare Democrat who can claim soccer moms and NASCAR and NRA dads among his base. Even Republicans concede his political influence . . . ."

"It would appear, then, that the only way that Gilmore could have even a sliver of a shot in a race that has him trailing McGovern-like in the polls in the area of 25 percent as we commence the fall campaign proper is to strike at the heart of the Warner base among those soccer moms and NASCAR and NRA dads. Warner, for what it’s worth, surprised me by responding to the Gilmore attack first on-stage by decrying the politics-as-usual approach that his predecessor in the governor’s mansion was initiating in the name of political expediency, then in talking matter of factly with reporters after his formal remarks. `What I’ve shown in my record is strong support for Second Amendment rights. Matter of fact, the NRA SAID I SIGNED MORE PRO-SECOND AMENDMENT LEGISLATION THAN ANYONE. HECK, MY OWN SISTER HOME SCHOOLS HER KIDS. [Emphasis mine] I am proud of the bipartisan support that I’ve received,' Warner said. `Mr. Gilmore can say whatever, but Virginians know us, know our records, know our approach. The last thing Washington needs is one more slash-and-burn politician. Politics has moved on in this country. My opponent has not,' Warner said. `My record has shown the way I work with people - across party lines, across all kinds of lines. People know my record. IF I SAID THAT, IT WAS OVER THE TOP,' Warner said. [Emphasis mine]

"Gilmore used the attention that he had gained for himself with his own over-the-top comments to play more politics-as-usual in pigeonholing Warner for offering `a lot of generalities' in his campaign, a tired tack that GOP presidential nominee John McCain has used against Democrat Barack Obama. `He didn’t explain what he was going to do about energy, about drilling. We know he’s not going to support Alaska drilling. His own supporters know that. He’s not going to support offshore drilling. He never denied that,' Gilmore told reporters after his speech.

"I had talked with Warner about that very topic walking up the hill to Glen Maury from the annual Labor Day parade through the streets of Buena Vista earlier in the morning, and Warner was plenty explicit then. `Energy shouldn’t fall into a partisan line. Washington is trying to make it into an either-or - either you’re for alternative or you’re for drilling. We need to do both,' Warner said, repeating something I have heard from him on the campaign trail several times this year, and which he hypes on his campaign website.

"That walk in the park was a study in contrast to what we heard from Gilmore later. Warner was still limping pretty badly from a basketball injury that had kept him from making a day of scheduled appearances in Waynesboro and Staunton two weeks earlier, but he still made it a point to crisscross the streets of Buena Vista as he does every year shaking hands with local residents and posing for pictures with people that he’s gotten to know from his many Valley visits dating back to the 1990s. This year’s walk was a little different in that Warner is now a star on the national political stage for the first time, with his keynote speech at last week’s Democratic National Convention prompting comment from some along the parade route about a future appearance in Buena Vista as Presidential Candidate Warner.

"Warner’s focus is on the here and now - on winning his race for the U.S. Senate and on helping Barack Obama win Virginia in his own bid for the White House. `I’m proud that Virginia got a chance to highlight its story,' he said of his keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention. `I thought it was important, even though it might not have been politically smart, to talk about bipartisanship. Because that’s what the country needs. The country does need to celebrate common ground. You ask 80 percent of the people on this parade route, and they want things fixed. They’re not as concerned about whether it’s a D or an R. They want a chance to see their lives improved,' Warner said."

It will be interesting to see if Obama actually gets elected (remember, we still cannot accurately poll him) how far his administration will go against pro-lifers. Will it be content to merely freeze them out of the Supreme Court for another generation, or will it actively criminalize them?

Of course there are lots of folks who aren't Democrats who would cheer the sight of James Dobson being hauled off to a Federal prison.

THAT'S NOT TRUE. DOBSON SAYS GAYS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH. I SAW THIS SIGNED.

dobson's influence is already waning and he's receding back into the cave that he came from.

Yes...Righty.

You cannot produce a quote, but take the word for "anti-Dobsonites" that he wants the death pentalty for gays?

If you cannot quote the man, this is called "rumor". If you take th "anti's" at their word for their signage...without following up looking for a quote...

I've seen many posts that claim that Palin charged women for rape kits. I've quoted source material from minutes from the Alaska legislature that has the Deputy Commissioner of the Department of Public Safety in hearings about that law saying that "he has not found any police agency that has ever billed a victim."

I quoted an article by the Wasilla police chief that said in the past they have billed insurance companies. I quoted that same article that said Palin agrees that victims should not be directly billed.

The hoards of investigators have not found one bill. Not one bill - and they asked. Yet Yelladawg says that Palin billed women for rape kits. This is called "RUMOR".

what happens when the insurance company does not cover any or a portion of the bill sent to them? what happens with your insurance? well, with mine, the rest is billed to me. i suppose one could still argue that the bill wasn't sent from palin's mailbox.

When my insurance doesn't cover an entire bill, the bill remains with the office that issued the bill in the first place. In the case of my allergist, they waive any balance.

In the case of Alaska (the entire state) the deputy commissioner of the department of public safety has not found even one case of a victim being billed for the balance.

the fact is that the official policy was there that would have allowed the practice of billing the victims or their insurance companies to continue, whether you found a case in practice or not. and this happened with palin's knowledge.

Well...yeah. And Obama co-sponsored a bill that would do exactly that.

and that includes the old testament. so, even if he hasn't said it (that you can find in the media) what would you assume his position to be on the punishment of such a sin as he believes homosexuality to be?

I'd start by assuming that as a Christian, he'd have dragged himself into the New Covenant and the penalties that were required in the Old Covenant no longer apply.

Since the New Testament also mentions the homosexual act in a list of sins, I do consider the behavior a sin, but also consider other acts as sin that do not require the death penalty in the New Testament.

There is reason to understand that Dobson, while accepting the whole counsel of Scripture as the Word of God, understands the difference between the Old and New Covenants and also understands that the death penalty no longer applies to a number of sins.

So, unless you can provide a quote, it might be a good plan to consider any further accusations on the point as "rumor".

Oh my...

I quote Righty and Anon says, "I didn't say..."

That about says it all.