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Who does Paulson think he is? Putin?

posted by Susan Johnson | 7:42pm Thursday October 16, 2008

How did we get from a bailout to free up credit to owning a piece of nine of the major banks (even those who didn’t take on bad debt like Wells Fargo):

The chief executives of the nine largest banks in the United States trooped into a gilded conference room at the Treasury Department at 3 p.m. Monday. To their astonishment, they were each handed a one-page document that said they agreed to sell shares to the government, then Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. said they must sign it before they left.
The chairman of JPMorgan Chase, Jamie Dimon, was receptive, saying he thought the deal looked pretty good once he ran the numbers through his head. The chairman of Wells Fargo, Richard M. Kovacevich, protested strongly that, unlike his New York rivals, his bank was not in trouble because of investments in exotic mortgages, and did not need a bailout, according to people briefed on the meeting.
But by 6:30, all nine chief executives had signed — setting in motion the largest government intervention in the American banking system since the Depression and retreating from the rescue plan Mr. Paulson had fought so hard to get through Congress only two weeks earlier.

I was actually on the fence about this bailout (the analysis of the bailout has been conflicting and confusing) but now I suspect it’s really quite heinous if it gives the power to the government to bully companies into taking the government on as a partner.
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MzEllen

posted October 16, 2008 at 8:31 pm


Michele, there is not much about that is good. The reasons that we are here are convoluted but this has been a long time in coming.
I’m not sure whether this bailout is workable or just another bandaid.



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MH

posted October 16, 2008 at 9:22 pm


The original Paulson plan was a bad idea. First it was to slow because time was required to figure out which assets to buy and determine their price. Second is that no one really knows what these assets are worth, so figuring out a price is anyone’s guess.
The capital injection plan solved both problems and was actually the plan preferred by most economists. I liked it better because it also offers tax payers to chance to recover their costs if the banks are worth more in the future. I’m actually surprised and pleased that Secretary Paulson changed direction since he seemed intent on his plan.
One thing people need to understand is that the bad debts are the smaller part of this problem. The leverage in the credit default swaps market is the real killer. Also when Lehman failed it caused several money market funds to break the buck which is why the credit markets froze. In retrospect letting Lehman fail was a bad idea, but I can understand why the government allowed it to happen. They didn’t know just how bad things were under the covers.



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DonF

posted October 16, 2008 at 9:34 pm


The bailout is bad. It was bad when first proposed. It is bad in the new iteration. But doing nothing is worse. Much worse, both in the short term and in the long run.
The thing that I have not heard from any critics is what they would propose that would be any better? I’m at a loss to find a way out of this without massive government intervention. The free market sure wouldn’t pull it off. Neither would a fully private enterprise solution, such as a massive loan/grant from the billionaires in the world.
The only entity with the resources and ability to move fast enough to make a difference is the government. If someone has a better solution, let’s hear it!



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batman

posted October 16, 2008 at 9:37 pm


And how. Bawney Fwank would say twoo, twoo, twoo. And his fwiends, Kwiss Dodds, and Henwee Waxman. All run by Joge Sowos. And, Bawock Obammer would set up the dictatoship of the pwowatawiat.
In Wussia, Octobah sahpwise, the banks wuh seized fust, then pwivate pwopity and cowectivization of industwy.
The Bolshevik revolution in the US was much different order than old russian soviet union.
Here, the U.S. Industry was long ago collectivized under the EPA (for the environment) The kids were brainwashed in school for decades under the NEA and AFT. The 4th estate in the media became the 5th column. The senator sons of senators, the representative sons of representatives, the mayoral sons of mayors. The county board presidential sons of county board presidents. Thanks to Venezuelan voting machines: Dead people voting, to dead people holding office. Then finally: The presidential sons of a thousand points of light, after the blow-job president outsourced production, turning the stock market into a casino, where Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were knowingly peddling bad paper. So, the banks could be seized. And, much property. The dictatorship of the proletariat might begin with the next election. The purge of the resistive through national health care, and Dr. Kevorkian as surgeon general?



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MH

posted October 16, 2008 at 9:40 pm


One more thing. From what I’ve read the executives could turn down Secretary Paulson. But if they did and came back later the terms would be worse. Bascially he was driving a hard bargin with them which is typical in business. Putin would have thrown them in jail on trumped up charges.
Even the bank which didn’t need the capital and didn’t want the governments money stands to benefit. Getting captial on favorable terms will let them expand and become more valuable.



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Moonshadow

posted October 16, 2008 at 10:04 pm


NPR had on the woman who heads up FDIC and she said that Paulson is just giving to his “club,” Wall Street. It’s the only thing he knows, meanwhile, people are in foreclosure – 300,000 new ones each month.
I almost want a Republican in the WH when these institutions become nationalized but at least we can say they started it. I can’t see how anyone who’s opposed to insurance bureaucrats making medical decisions for doctors can support politicians proposing fiscal solutions. Politicians aren’t generally known for their financial acumen.
On top of this, the largest SSI COLA in 25 years!
What a perfect storm …



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Moonshadow

posted October 16, 2008 at 10:07 pm


But, hey, oil at $70/barrel is really, really helping the airline industry!



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anonymous reincarnate

posted October 17, 2008 at 4:35 am


ah, moonshadow… always the optimist! ;)



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cx

posted October 17, 2008 at 6:04 am


We got there in the typical Republican way, especially the typical Bush-ite way: Do whatever you want. Don’t worry about permission or legality or even whether it’ll work or not.
Remember, 9/11 changed everything. You just didn’t believe it at the time, though, did you?



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yelladawgNC

posted October 17, 2008 at 8:36 am


If Paulson is Putin, what does that make Bush, who appointed him? Putin’s lapdog?



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