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It looks like Prop. 8 might be upheld

posted by Susan Johnson | 10:55am Thursday November 20, 2008

Uh oh! Not looking good for the opponents of Prop. 8

While both sides cheered the court’s decision to take up the cases, Kennard’s lone vote to deny review could spell trouble for opponents of Prop. 8.
Kennard is the court’s longest-serving justice, having been appointed in 1989, and has been one of its foremost supporters of same-sex couples’ rights. Without her vote, the May 15 ruling would have gone the other way. But she wrote Wednesday that she would favor hearing arguments only about whether Prop. 8 would invalidate the pre-election marriages, an issue that would arise only if the initiative were upheld.
“It’s always hard to read tea leaves, but I think Justice Kennard is saying that she thinks the constitutionality of Prop. 8 is so clear that it doesn’t warrant review,” said Stephen Barnett, a retired UC Berkeley law professor and longtime observer of the court.
For those seeking to overturn Prop. 8, “I would not think it would be encouraging,” said Dennis Maio, a San Francisco lawyer and former staff attorney at the court.

So, what happens if it’s upheld? Mass hysteria and rioting? Do they burn down the Mormon temples and churches? String up Christians and Mormons? A mass exodus out of California to Connecticut and Massachusetts? (Make Cape Cod the new Hollywood?) Or will they be sensible and wait until they can overturn it with another ballot initiative?
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Michael

posted November 20, 2008 at 12:38 pm


“Mass hysteria and rioting? Do they burn down the Mormon temples and churches? String up Christians and Mormons?”
I’m embarrassed for you.



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MH

posted November 20, 2008 at 1:03 pm


Michele McGinty: “A mass exodus out of California to Connecticut and Massachusetts? (Make Cape Cod the new Hollywood?)”
Since this would be good for the economy of Massachusetts, I can only hope so.



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RJohnson

posted November 20, 2008 at 9:52 pm


If the decision goes against the proponents of the issue, will we see more gays killed?



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Robert

posted November 21, 2008 at 1:40 am


“So, what happens if it’s upheld? Mass hysteria and rioting? Do they burn down the Mormon temples and churches? String up Christians and Mormons? A mass exodus out of California to Connecticut and Massachusetts? (Make Cape Cod the new Hollywood?) Or will they be sensible and wait until they can overturn it with another ballot initiative?”
No, stringing up people is something done by Christians more often than to Christians in this country. It’s not an especially effective tool for evangelism, although many of the fathers of the Reformed tradition endorsed it, along with the drownings, burnings, and disembowelings.



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Minnie

posted November 21, 2008 at 1:59 am


I will never understand how two people in love getting married is such a threat to anyone. It makes less than zero sense to me.
Maybe if conservatives spent less time on non-issues like keeping gays from getting married and more time actually coming up with a set of real principles they believe in, they wouldn’t have over 61% of people with a negative opinion of the Republican party:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/112015/GOP-Takes-Another-Image-Hit-PostElection.aspx



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Guy Arthur Thomas

posted November 21, 2008 at 8:43 am


Well the homosexuals will just have to accept the same civil rights and limitations as the rest of us…ahhhhh, boo hoo.
Next Please!



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blah

posted November 21, 2008 at 8:58 am


If the proposition goes down in flames, will nosy busybody Christianists finally shut the hell up about SSM?



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Guy Arthur Thomas

posted November 21, 2008 at 10:51 am


Hey, here is an idea maybe you can shut up about Christians or Christinaists (as you like to call them)? Hmmmm? Oh wait, you’re a LEFTY LIB and as usual you LEFTY LIBS have one standard for yourself and another for others….hahahahahahahahaha! Another LEFTY LIB hypocrite exposed!
Next Please!



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blah

posted November 21, 2008 at 11:55 am


You’re clearly unhinged.
Go play in traffic, trollina.
Tiiiiiiiime, is on our side. Yes it is.



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Glo

posted November 21, 2008 at 2:39 pm


“If the decision goes against the proponents of the issue, will we see more gays killed?”
And whose going to do the killing? I haven’t seen any gays being killed but I seen a lot of christians being abused lately.



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Gwyddion9

posted November 21, 2008 at 9:11 pm


Ah, the fear mongering. SSM will eventually be approved and finally gay men and women will have the same rights in this country as straights as far as the many protections granted by the legal status of marriage.
Nothing will change, some religious groups will claim god’s wrath or cry the sky is falling but the day will continue, just like it did the day before. Finally, people will see that all the fear mongering was exactly that and all those religious people crying were empty hypocrites.
The world will continue to revolve, people will be born and die in this world but more importantly, perhaps, people will see all the screaming for what it was, nothing and empty threats.



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Boris

posted November 22, 2008 at 12:38 am


A few decades ago the majority of voters, especially Christians, in this country were against interracial marriages. It took our court system to grant interracial couples the same rights other couple have. We can’t rely on ‘majority rules’ when it comes to protecting the rights of individuals. This is WHY we have a court system.



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Bonnie

posted November 22, 2008 at 8:38 pm


Have a seat, I’m going to alert you to the fact that some JEWISH folks also voted against gay marriage! Something not supported by this many religions probably has some problems, I should think.
But hey, just remember that as a heterosexual, neither can I marry whomever I want… I have no right to marry my brother, no matter how much I love him! So guess what I do? In spite of the fact I may be sleeping with him, I ACCEPT IT. Of course, I should not expect to be a victim of violence for doing it, but I can make the distinction, and I do not have a temper tantrum and go out into the streets.
Imagine…if heterosexual couplings get no preference, here’s one of many scenarios that could evolve: Two heterosexual women living together(with tax breaks), having affairs on the side to produce children, which they bring home to raise in their same-sex household. You know how creative these young people are… it won’t happen right away, but eventually it really WILL threaten heterosexual marriages. Why would anybody choose the more challenging man-woman version?
Seems to me, the way to resolve it is to trust thousands of years of tradition and make civil unions as generous as possible. Even electing a gay president! It’s NOT about hate! And lay off the Christians… Guy Arthur Thomas seems lacking in respect and is not a good example of a Christian!



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Bonnie

posted November 22, 2008 at 8:44 pm


Oh, and I forgot! Most blacks do not see it as a civil rights issue. They voted 70-30 percent to support Prop 8.



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dannyuk2

posted November 23, 2008 at 10:21 pm


“Something not supported by this many religions probably has some problems, I should think. ”
Like what exactly? No rational or moral argument exists for denying gays the same right to marry that heterosexuals take for granted, especially if the person who is against gay marriage is already married themselves, or planning to do so, for that is pure hypocrisy and nothing more, which is neither moral, nor rational.



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Bonnie

posted November 24, 2008 at 7:04 am


dannyuk2… It’s like you didn’t even finish reading my post…you only read the first paragraph.



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Your Name

posted December 12, 2008 at 1:03 pm


“Or will they be sensible and wait until they can overturn it with another ballot initiative?”
There’s nothing “sensible” about passing UN-Constitutional ballot measures designed to do nothing but kick some group out of its protections.
Bonnie,
Quite a leap you made …
“some JEWISH folks also voted against gay marriage! Something not supported by this many religions”
Although I’m sure “some JEWISH folks” did vote againnst equality, let me assure you that they acted against their religion. FYI, both the Reformed AND the (ahem) Conservative branches of Judaism favor – and perform – same sex marriages. As does the United Church of Christ, the Universalist/Unitarians, the Metropolitan Community Church, and heck, even the Quakers. Why should they all abide by your faith’s tenets?
“as a heterosexual, neither can I marry whomever I want… I have no right to marry my brother”
Aside from the odious, false (i.e. UN-Christian) comparison of our relationships to incest, I’m surprised you want to marry him. If you need to have the reason incest is outlawed, you need to look up consanguinity and its results. BTW, did you know that the Bible proscribes the death penalty for the victims of inscest? Who would be the victim in your marriage to your brother, him or you? (Actually, it wouldn’t matter, both the perpetrator and the victim “shall surely be put to death”.
“Two heterosexual women living together(with tax breaks), having affairs on the side to produce children, which they bring home to raise in their same-sex household. You know how creative these young people are…”
Nothing prevents heterosexual couples from doing the exact same thing, Bonnie. So, no, I don’t ‘know how creative these young people are’, but I can certainly see you making up a lot of nonsense.
And YOU ‘diss Guy Arthur Thomas! Stop the bearing of false witness please. It’s a sin, remember?



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R. King

posted February 12, 2009 at 12:32 am


If Homosexuality is not a choice then those who are destined to gaydom are not free and therefore have no claims to the freedoms afforded to those of us who are blessed with the power to choose.
Teaching children that living a homosexual lifestyle is not perverted is akind to teaching children that the world is flat. You claim your choice does not hurt anyone then you demand the school systems preach your choice as truth to impressionable school aged children and then you have the nerve to say this does not hurt anyone – HYPOCRITES
I hope they bring back the days of hanging and disembowing Homosexuals because Homosexuals would surly do it to you if given the opportunity. The reason Homosexuals hate God is because God hates what Homosexuals have chosen to do.



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Your Name

posted March 24, 2009 at 9:58 am


As unfair as it may seem, overturning Prop 8 with a ballot initiative will end all this “will of the people” mumbo jumbo coming from the Yes on 8 people.
I’m split on this issue. Same-sex couple should be able to marry or but only as long as children wouldn’t have to learn about homosexualiy in school without prior parental permission (those 18 and older should also be able to opt themeselves out) and religious institutions do not have to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies if it conflicts with their beliefs (we’re all entitled to our beliefs). I’m not saying that these things will happen if Prop 8 is overturned, but they shouldn’t happen.
On the other hand, the California Constitution gives the citizens the right to pass legislation and amend the state constitution by majority vote. An interest group shouldn’t be interfering with that right. Though courts and legislators make and modify law, the will of the people should have supremacy over any other government body unless it conflicts with the actual literal wording of the Constitution (not some vauge interpertation of it).



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