Obama plans to lower expectations if he wins

Michele, I know you won't reply to my counters as you've completed shielded yourself from criticism and dissent, but quite sincerely: do you believe that ends justify means?

I'd honestly like to know if you consider yourself objective in any imaginable way. I won't say I am, but I sure am not going to sell my soul to propaganda and manipulation like you so often do with your disingenuous videos and half-truth headlines and blaring distortions that ignore the greater reality. It is the epitome of slothfulness when you post clips of uninformed fans to make an argument about a candidate. And it is truly disgusting that you use a man's suicide to deride Obama. Where are your values? Why can't you fight honestly? I prefer using truth to smear you guys.

Like the fact that McCain and Obama have both promised more than any candidate can realistically offer, except that McCain is going to put us $5 trillion in the hole versus Obama's $3.5 trillion according to the Tax Policy Center and CBO.

Or that Obama will actually reduce abortions by expansion of teen pregnancy prevention and sexual education programs, improved access to women's health care and family planning services, and better access to contraceptives -- instead of the utterly ineffectual method of teaching abstinence that results in huge numbers of unwanted pregnancies. Or that women who want abortions will seek them ANYWAY if they are illegalized, therefore worsening pain and death via lack of proper oversight.

Or that the entire "socialism" argument of the right seems to be that the difference between capitalism and socialism corresponds to the difference between a top marginal income tax of 35% and a top marginal income-tax of 39.6%. Or that John McCain supported the EXACT same position in 2000 and said wealthy people can afford more. Or that Sarah Palin lives in a state where every citizen gets a stipend from the government, virtually the definition of Marxism (and hypocrisy).

Look, Michele. After 8 years of seeing this country brought to its knees by corruption and incompetence and destruction, people have the right to have big hopes. That you mock these videos and the people in them just goes to show your shamelessness and willful ignorance of the state of this country. I want to know if you really think you'll have any dignity left when Obama wins, because you've been tossing slime and deceit for months and months. It will haunt only you after election day.

John Cleese said it best: Repubs create massive lies out of partial truths.

but I sure am not going to sell my soul to propaganda and manipulation like you so often do...

And the winner of the "first personal insult of the thread" contest goes to Gillian.

I'll answer some of these questions.

but I sure am not going to sell my soul to propaganda and manipulation like you so often do

No. That's why making abortion more accessible, with zero restrictions for any reason at any time of the pregnancy in the name of reducing abortion makes zero sense.

I prefer using truth to smear you guys.

Direct quotes = lies.

except that McCain is going to put us $5 trillion in the hole versus Obama's $3.5 trillion according to the Tax Policy Center and CBO.

Link please. Statistics can go either way. Obama has offered a lot of new spending - McCain has offered a lot of tax cuts. In the end, the philosophies of spreading the wealth vs. creating wealth will be what answers the question about how we would vote on this issue.

Or that women who want abortions will seek them ANYWAY if they are illegalized, therefore worsening pain and death via lack of proper oversight.

Who did most abortions before abortion was legal? Answer: doctors.

There are women who get legal abortions who die, who are infertile afterward, who suffer from depression.

As far as sex ed that is not based on abstinence - I work in a public school system that offers birth control based sex ed (I know because I've sat in on the classes while shadowing a student. The sex part of the health class, which is required for every student, is taught by a guest instructor from Planned Parenthood.) The pregnancy rate is on par with the national average, it is pretty well known which young women have had abortions (and which ones have had the most abortions).

If abstinence teaching does not work, apparently neither does birth control teaching.

Or that Sarah Palin lives in a state where every citizen gets a stipend from the government, virtually the definition of Marxism (and hypocrisy).

Can you say "states rights"? Can you tell me the difference between the stipend of a $10,000 earner a $100,000? I don't believe that Alaska pits the poor against the rich.

Hypocrisy? As in "one standard for one group and another for yourself"? Gillian, have you sold all that you have in order to give it to the poor? Do you have one standard for yourself and yet criticize another group for failing to live up to a standard that you do not hold yourself to? That sort of hypocrisy?

After 8 years of seeing this country brought to its knees by corruption and incompetence and destruction,

Oh, it's been way more years than that. ACORN was influencing policy for many years. An intellectually honest person can see that there is enough corruption and incompetence and destruction in both parties to go around. In the end, this election (as with most others) will be about which candidate a voter believes will be most likely to lead in a more conservative way or a more liberal way...in other words, which candidate is more likely to hold to the "party line"?

Repubs create massive lies out of partial truths.

Unlike Democrats? Do you think that Democrats never use partial truths, or is it just that you think that they skip the "partial truth" part and lie outright?

I am highly upset that you have chosen to brocast to your readers that you want them to vote for the McPalin ticket. Further more to be a reigious website I think it is totally wrong for you to speak for one party over another. I feel this to be bigoted and down right stupid on your behalf and I will be removing your daily email subscription and my email address from your services. I don't need you. I think you need to subscribe to your own service.

Thank You for a the years you have sent my the daily word but I will find my daily word elsewhere.

I have been harboring the same feeling as Philip recently. I used to come to this blog for positivity, but now it just seems to be a forum for hate-filled partisanship that frankly belongs elsewhere. I am a reformed Christian who is supporting Obama, but I do not believe in using my faith as a political tool. I urge Michele to listen to Obama's words in my link to understand why I say that. I know this is a passionate election season, but I wish you would create a separate blog to vent your views, because it seems like 95% of your entries recently have nothing to do with religion.

What do you guys call yourself "reformed" Christian for? It sounds like a recovering alcoholic. If you're not sure why you believed what you believed before, you can't be so sure what you believe now is any better.

There's one very important reason why a Christian should care about this election and who they vote for and that is the Supreme Court appointments. If you are truly a follower of Christ, you cannot deny that the candidate's platforms are very, very different.

This is a political blog. There is a seperate blog for other things. On BeliefNet, this blog is filed under "politics".

Quite a concept, a blog that is headed "politics" and labeled "politics" by the blog host is about...(drumroll) politics.

If McCain is pro-life, why should he need to look more so?

McCain has a 0% (zero percent) NARAL rating.

Obama has a 100% NARAL rating.

According to voting records, McCain doesn't need any help looking "pro-life" and Obama doesn't need any help looking pro-abortion (as opposed to pro-choice, which - my definition - would allow reasonable limits, instead of Obama's take which allows for any abortion, at any time, at any point in the pregnancy, for any reason, without parental notification. Schools cannot even give a student a tylenol without parental consent...but abortions are okay?)

Minnie, if you want to dictate content, I would suggest you blog in your own space.

Wow, the way you guys put so much thought and time into piling on Michelle must mean that you really consider her an existential threat to your way of thinking. Or you're all unemployed. Or both.

you really consider her an existential threat to your way of thinking

LOL! Thanks for the laugh. I needed it.

or you're all unemployed

Nope. I work a full-time job during the day, and go to school full-time at night so I can finish my college degree. After that, I'm planning on grad school so I can get my MBA. But thanks for playing.