More than 3,000 protesters marched near the landmark Los Angeles California Temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Westwood today to protest the church's strong support for Proposition 8. Santa Monica Boulevard is closed and nearby traffic is gridlocked.I wonder why they aren't protesting black churches? Blacks are the ones that pushed the measure over the top, without the Obamanites, the measure wouldn't have passed.Opponents of Proposition 8, which outlawed gay marriage in California, were waving banners and chanting. A similar protests occurred on Wednesday night in Hollywood and West Hollywood.
Protest black churches? *snicker* That will never happen, they don't have the guts to do it. It's easier to beat up the Mormons, no one will call them bigoted for doing so (except maybe conservatives and religious people who understand what's going on here -- the left doesn't want us to bring out religion into the voting booth).
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I really do not understand where putting the mormon church down gets anyone closer to the truth.
The basic doctrine about sin and the many forms of such are in the Holy Bible.
Why is it when someone stands up for what they believe that they are bible pushers, or just plain wrong?
You know I have never been called that. You are a first to do it. Kinda funny to me.
I have dealt with a lot of finger pointing in my life and a lot of being told that what I have done is wrong. But today I stand on solid ground and say that I know wrong. I know sin. I know the difference between someone stating an opinion or just trying to hurt someone else to cover up something in themselves.
Allot of what some say the church have done is misleading and wrong. Need to get facts straight before posting.
We are all brothers and sisters and not one of us is without sin. It is ok to stand up and say I think this is wrong. But it is not ok to look at someone and say I hate you.
These people who do these hate crimes are wrong. No matter who they are against. If it is gay hurting the mormon church member or someone hurting a person cause they are gay. It is wrong. Either physical or just emotional it is wrong. We do not go to someones house that are living together unmarried and picket their front lawn. We do not hate someone cause they are of another religion, Cause they just happen to believe something we think is not ok. Maybe one day things will straiten out. Or maybe it will take the Lord coming back to fix it. We all as Christians know he will be back one day. On that day will we be among those who stand and face him with open eyes and arms. Happy to see him. Thankful. Or will we be among those who cower in fear of the things we have done wrong. Ashamed to see his face out of the sin we have done.
I can only pray that no matter the side of this fight you are on that we all can stand and look at him.
In all honesty I don't know if I would be able to stand in his brilliance. I know my sin. You know yours.
He loves each and every one of us. But he does not love the sin. No matter the sin. Be it big or little.
I have stated enough in my last blog on this whole issue. I will not repeat. Cause that is just irritating to allot of people.
I am sorry that some have to justify their actions by saying the bible is not exactly true due to men writing it. But let me say this. The Bible is one of the words of God that we have here to help us along this journey we call life. To make it back to him the least he asks of us is to follow his teachings within its binding. You may not agree with it. But it is He who teaches.
I will say this tad bit about my personal life and of just 5 short years ago. When sleeping around and doing things that a Christian knows is wrong, I knew I was wrong. I had decided to put those feelings out of my head. To pretend that it was ok. I was looking for my mate. And if we did not FIT together properly then it would not work. To this and many other thoughts I justified the things that I was doing. Cause after all that is how the world sees it. But even in the mist of darkness and sin I was in when approached by questions from others, I would always state that I knew I was wrong. But mostly avoided those questions and finger pointing. You never want to be told what you already know, and have tried to forget.
I will do my best to continue living as the Lord wants of me. And sin I still have, but working hard at doing better is all we can do.
Sin is sin, right is right and wrong is wrong. You can justify a sin till you are blue in the face. But you know deep down and forever that it is wrong. You may have forced yourself to believe it is ok. You have pushed the feelings of regret and knowledge right out.
I don't hate anyone for choosing a lifestyle different from mine. If that is what you want and you are happy with it then ok. But don't try to tell me that I have to teach my children that it is ok. And don't try to pass laws that say I can't say that I don't like it or I am going to jail, or sued. That is my right as an American. As is yours to say you don't agree with me. No laws have been passed that say you can't talk against any church. That if you say something about a certain religion you are going to jail. OH KNOW you don't believe what I believe. So there should be no laws passed that state I can't say anything negative against an act that I know is a sin, and it is stated in the Bible. Of course the beauty of being American is the fact that I can say all that and not have to worry about being hung. What are we if we can't voice our beliefs? What are we if we can't say no?
I do know what I am. I am an American. I love this country. I love my freedoms. But do not abuse others no matter what the cause. This harassing mormons has to stop. They don't picket gay bars. They don't go to your house and yell that you are wrong. They are taught to love one another. They are taught to not speak against any other religion. That every one has a right to believe as they choose.
They have the right to vote. Just like any other American a mormon can walk up and vote with the rest. That is America. Now I will go and you can take from this what you want. If you are not happy then ok. I understand. I am not happy with alot of what ya'll have to say either. God Bless the UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!
First of all, your claim that Black voter support of prop 8 was responsible for it's passing is simply wrong. They POSSIBLY (because we only have exit poll data ... not particularly reliable) at 70% for the measure, if they had voted at 49% it still would have passed. Elections are won or lost in America because of $$$$. The Mormons provided almost 75% of the dollars, and deserve 75% of the blame. They donated to take away a civil right, not a religious right, a CIVIL right.
But maybe right, the gays are the bigots because they get upset at being oppressed. Do you even realize how stupid that sounds? Mormons supported this hateful proposition and should have known there would be consequences if it passed. Now they are crying victim. It's like the KKK getting upset because someone points out how evil their history is.
The ProtectMarriage coalition, which led the successful campaign to pass Proposition 8, was an historic alliance of people from every faith and ethnicity. LDS were included ― but so were Catholics and Jews, Evangelicals and Orthodox, African-Americans and Latinos, Asians and Anglos.
Bigoted attacks on Mormons for the part they played in our coalition are shameful and ignore the reality that Mormon voters were only a small part of the groundswell that supported Proposition 8.” Fact: The fact that other Churches and organizations that participated in the “yes on 8″ movement are not being targeted by protesters proves that this is a bigoted assault on the LDS Church and not a protest against the passage of prop 8.
Fact: The LDS Church does NOT dislike gays, and in fact it has many gay members. One of the main reasons that they encouraged support of Prop. 8 is their fear that if gay marriage is legal, they will be sued to perform gay marriages in their temples. This fear appears to have some basis in fact, given the direction of recent litigation. See National Public Radio's documentation: "When Gay Rights and Religious Liberties Clash" by Barbara Bradley Hagerty, NPR.org, June 13, 2008.
Well first of all, see the New York Times article on the Mormon Church's support of Proposition 8 (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/us/politics/15marriage.html?hp). It is clear that the Mormon church played a disproportionate role in contributing to the effort to pass Prop 8. Thus, no one should be surprised or defensive at protests at temples, Mormon-owned businesses, etc. This is the price paid when churches enter the political arena, and they richly deserve it. These protests will continue to grow and will have an impact on the Mormon's already-bad reputation as agents of intolerance. Now, regarding the fear that Mormon churches (or any other churches) would be "forced" to perform same-sex weddings, that is simply untrue. This has not happened in MA or CT, nor is there any pending lawsuit regarding this issue. Can't happen, won't happen. The issue was manufactured to scare people, along the lines of "your daughter could be forced to marry a black man." Fantasy based on fear of the unknown.
So, I would say to the Mormons who are "shocked, shocked" that protests are occurring because of their role in passing Prop 8, "What on earth did you expect when you move to deprive a minority of civil rights?" Get over it.
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