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Ask Obama about the Freedom of Choice Act

posted by Susan Johnson | 5:58pm Wednesday December 10, 2008

So, Obama is allowing the average citizen to submit questions about his policies and then allowing us to vote for the ones we like. Justin Taylor submitted this question:

Would you consider rescinding your promise to sign the Freedom of Choice Acts, given your desire to reduce abortions and to seek common ground, and in light of the fact that it would invalidate every measure and law intended to reduce abortions?

But the abortion zealots have flagged it as inappropriate (they can’t stand free speech). You can still vote for the other similarly worded questions(until the abortion zealots get to it — I guess that’s probably some of you guys, huh?). I thought this one was pretty good as well:

“Will you still follow through with your promise to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, even though Maryland has passed similar legislation and their abortion rates have risen significantly compared to their prior numbers and the rest of the nation?”

You have to sign up but it’s worth it. Let your voice be heard (if anyone’s listening and it’s not a gimmick to get our email addresses so he can send us appeals for donations :-) . I was thinking about asking him how building roads would help the economy. Did he intend to put those collecting unemployment checks to work digging ditches?



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Your Name

posted December 10, 2008 at 7:41 pm


But the abortion zealots have flagged it as inappropriate (they can’t stand free speech.)
What disingenuous nonsense.
The site allows everyone to vote. It’s not the pro-choice voters’ fault that you people can’t even mobilize an online voting push.
It’s not enough that more people disagree – they have to not be able to “stand free speech.”
Sounds more like you can’t “stand reality.”
Face it. Your positions are old news. They’re buggy whips. They’re hula hoops. There’s a new dawn and a new day, and rights for real people trump rights for blastocysts.
Sorry if that makes you get all queasy. I’m sure there’s something at a pharmacy somewhere that won’t sell birth control that will fix you right up.
Merry Winter Festival Of Your Choosing!



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Paul C. Quillman

posted December 10, 2008 at 8:21 pm


Wow. Feeling the love. I guess that you missed the day in biology class that you were once a blastocyst as well, Your Name.
I want to know if Obama will reject the fairness doctrine as it is an assult on the First Ammendment.



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Your Name

posted December 10, 2008 at 8:35 pm


I have a question for the author: Why is it that life is sacred before birth, but expendable after? A true “Pro-Life stance” entails being not only anti-abortion, but anti-poverty, anti-death-penalty, anti-animal-testing, anti-eugenics, anti-genocide, and, yes, anti-war. In other words, a “Pro-Life stance” is pro living things, and anti-destruction-of-living-things. Life doesn’t end at birth. But, then, I’m just one of those “godless liberals”.
Jim



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Your Name

posted December 10, 2008 at 8:37 pm


Biology has nothing to do with it. The woman who became my mother chose to carry to term the blastocyst that became me. Other women choose differently.
What business is that of yours, Paul C. Quillman?
I want to know if the Obama haters can get over themselves long enough to live thier lives for the next 4-8 years. Of course, nothing would give me more pleasure than to see you all cloister yourselves off in convents or monasteries for the interim…
The fewer busybodies in everyone’s business the better.



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MzEllen

posted December 10, 2008 at 8:59 pm


But the abortion zealots have flagged it as inappropriate (they can’t stand free speech.)
What disingenuous nonsense.

what is disingenuous about going to the website and seeing the words that yes…they actually have found the question to be offensive.



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Your Name

posted December 10, 2008 at 9:57 pm


The disingenuous part is the conclusion that neither finding the question offensive nor voting it off of the list (which is what the site is for) means that “they can’t stand free speech.”
Nannying busybodies can still say whatever they want to say about abortion (or anything for that matter). There just aren’t enough of them to make the grade.
Kind of like how gay people must feel when their second-class citizenship is codified in state constitutions.
We’re told to suck it up and deal.
Maybe the whiny anti-choice crowd should do the same, nu?



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Keori

posted December 10, 2008 at 10:40 pm


Considering that no one in Congress has actually proposed putting limits on how much lying horsehockey Bill O’Reilly can spew, I’d say the fairness doctrine is something that President-elect Obama can write off as a moot issue meant to whip up the nutballs at Free Republic.
Personally, I’d like to know whether our President-elect is going to work with Congress to actually bring back comprehensive sex ed to schools, mandate that contraception be covered by insurance, actually implement some form of national health care standard with contraception coverage, and rescind the global gag rule to provide funds for condoms, contraception, and preventive health care to women in Third World countries. You know, stuff that will actually reduce unplanned pregnancies.



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RJohnson

posted December 11, 2008 at 12:20 am


“I was thinking about asking him how building roads would help the economy.”
Probably much better than the trickle-down economics of the last few Republican administrations. And this time the people will actually have something to show for their time and money…new roads.



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Moonshadow

posted December 11, 2008 at 1:06 am


Probably much better than the trickle-down economics of the last few Republican administrations.
Or the trickle-down economics of the Wall Street bail-out. How’s that working out for you all? Gosh.



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MzEllen

posted December 11, 2008 at 6:48 am


Jim. why do you assume that conservatives believe that life after birth is “expendable”? Or is that merely liberal rhetoric?
Your Name, the fact (yes, FACT) is that the text at the bottom of the question says that it was removed because “people thought it was offensive”. What do YOU think was offensive about it?
Do you think that anti-abortion advocates would have found it offensive? Why or why not?
If not, who do you believe would have found it offensive?



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Paul C. Quillman

posted December 11, 2008 at 10:14 am


Jim wrote: What business is that of yours, Paul C. Quillman?
Paul responds: None apart from the silly little rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence, you know, life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness. I guess Obama would call those negative rights as well.
Keori: Considering that no one in Congress has actually proposed putting limits on how much lying horsehockey Bill O’Reilly can spew, I’d say the fairness doctrine is something that President-elect Obama can write off as a moot issue meant to whip up the nutballs at Free Republic.
Paul: The liberals have NPR, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, the NYT, Newsweek, Time, Air America, why can’t Fox exist? It isn’t as conservative as you giys seem to think.



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Your Name

posted December 11, 2008 at 3:02 pm


Quillman:
How does one woman deciding what to do with the cells growing in her body infringe upon your right to “happyness” (sic)?
MizEllen:
This is what’s offensive about the question…
“…in light of the fact that it would invalidate every measure and law intended to reduce abortions?”
It’s offensive in the extreme. What about poverty programs? What about health care programs? What about sex education that speaks about the realities of sex instead of merely preaching abstinence? All of those are intended to reduce abortions. What’s offensive is that the question is a strawman – the Freedom of Choice Act would not invalidate every law intended to reduce abortions – just the ones that nannying busy-body mythologists insist are the one-and-only way to reduce them.
Here’s a question for you – if all of those laws are so effective, why are people still having abortions?
I mean, besides it being none of your business, the way you people go about ameliorating the problem is, frankly, ridiculous.



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brandi furr

posted December 11, 2008 at 4:37 pm


If Obama decides to sign the Freedom of Choice Act I believe this will politically kill his reputation, reguardless if Planned Parent Hood has backed him up and sponsored him during his whole campaign. There are too many pro-life groups that wont stand for such crazyness. We are talking about 125K more abortions a year folks, being responsiable and putting one’s self on a method of birth control is more effective and cost less then KILLING an inncoent life. Because we all know that life begans at conception.



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Your Name

posted December 11, 2008 at 6:15 pm


There are too many pro-life groups that wont stand for such crazyness.
And they’ve been *oh so effective* up to this point.



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Paul C. Quillman

posted December 11, 2008 at 7:29 pm


Quillman:
How does one woman deciding what to do with the cells growing in her body infringe upon your right to “happyness” (sic)?
Paul: I was talking about the unborn childs right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness.



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Your Name

posted December 11, 2008 at 8:53 pm


Blastocysts have rights? Enumerated where? If that’s the case, can other vestigial parts of a person’s body have rights? Why does no one picket for the tonsils of the world, or the apendices?
Of course, on a long enough timeline, a blastocyst does become a baby, but it’s not a person before it’s a fetus.
I challenge any layperson to look at a clump of undifferentiated blastocyst cells and tell me the difference between a clump of another type of cells.
They’re cells. Later they become fetuses, and even later still they are born and become people.
There are living breathing people right now that pro-life “activists” ignore in favor of a clump of cells they couldn’t pick out in a lineup.
Y’all people have “lost your natural minds,” as my lovely southern grandmother would have said.



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Julie

posted December 12, 2008 at 1:17 am


Obama never hid his stance on abortion. Obama was elected President by people that decided they could accept his stance on abortion. Over 60% of Americans believe abortion should be legal.
The people that hid their stance on abortion was Ronald Reagan, George W Bush, and John McCain. All three flip-flopped to oppose abortion. Neither Reagan nor Bush made abortion illegal as promised. Both had a Republican controlled Congress. How about complaining to the Republicans in Congress for not taking action to make abortion illegal?
How about asking John McCain to submit a bill to make abortion illegal?



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SamFox

posted December 15, 2008 at 2:11 pm


Your Name said– “Blastocysts have rights? Enumerated where? If that’s the case, can other vestigial parts of a person’s body have rights? Why does no one picket for the tonsils of the world, or the apendices?”
Just because a child is in an early stage of development & the growing body is in an early stage of cells you call Blastocysts does not mean that the cells at that stage of growth is not a human. True enough it is a an incomplete human, but even after a child has been born & lived for 6 months or a year the new baby is still growing & developing. Why is it OK to kill the group of cells at an earlier time but not after the child is born? If you will think for a bit, all of us are groups of cells.
The rest of the quote deals with human body parts, not the whole human body. Do not “”Blastocysts” represent the whole body at a particular stage of growth?
Also note that a ferted human egg always turns into a human being. It is a process. Why is it OK to stop the life process in the womb?
If people would “keep it their pants” until a man & woman marry, there would not be much of an abortion problem. Most men like abortion because killing the child gets them off the hook for raising what they have sired. Abortion is a money & responsibility saving device. This is wrong.
It is way past time to grow up & get real regarding sex. The sex revolution is a dismal failure. The SR has given us millions of deaths from STD’s & aborted children. God knew what He was talking about when He gave His prohibitions against sex out side of man & woman marriage.
SamFox



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posted January 8, 2009 at 11:47 am


Everyone can have their beliefs. I know nothing I could ever say would sway for or against.
However, I do believe if you are that strongly pro-choice that you want abortion to be fully illegal, then I hope you’re in the process or have already adopted a child, or are a foster parent.
You cannot say “the child has a right to live, oh these millions of children have to live!” and then forget they are existing with people who either do not want them or cannot care for them – that once they are born, they continue to grow up in this world.
I don’t see how someone can cry out that it is genocide (and actually mean the word genocide, with all it portends), and then not be offering to take such a child into their home. And if they are going to spout religion – then I hope they remember Jesus’s words about “whatever you do for the least of my people, that you do unto me.”
(And, yes, I realize that the quote can also be used against the Pro-Choice movement. However, just for a change, instead of standing against something, saying “No, you can’t do that”, how about you say…”I believe so strongly that I am willing to sacrifice and give of myself”?)



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Mike

posted January 25, 2009 at 11:52 pm


the freedom of choice act is not about choice, it’s about tyrrany. it forces doctors to perform abortions who are morally opposed. pro-choice folks, what about the choice of the doctors? how would you like it if the government forced you to do something that you found morally reprehensible?



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