Atheist believes that Africa needs Christian missionaries
Not just for aid but because of the change that conversion brings: Now a confirmed atheist, I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and...
The same kind of spiritual rebirth also helps to liberate thousands of addicts each year and lifts people out of homelessness. Seen it many times.
"They need to replace their current belief system with one that frees them and Christianity does that. It frees them from the superstitions that bind them and frees them to think for themselves."
I think it might be more accurate to say that Christianity is simply a substitute superstition. I don't see how it follows that giving people a different preset list of things to believe encourages free thinking.
That is not to say that Christianity isn't needed in Africa. Parris may be right about that; after all the optimism, community & sense of obligation often produced by Christianity can be very useful tools in building up a society. It is a crutch that eventually must be replaced with something more substantial, but there are occasions when we need crutches to help get us to a point where we can stand on our own. Don't forget that Parris is still an atheist, and he never said anything about Christianity being any more legitimately real just because it has its uses.
Yeah, Christianity is a crutch in the same way that surgery is a "crutch" for a burst appendix. The disease is called a sinful nature and Jesus is the cure.
Now you'll retort that there's no such thing as sin. Then I'll ask if you think your spouse cheating on you is perfectly OK and she should just go do it. After all, it doesn't hurt anyone.
I’ve never heard of the author of this article. I doubt I’ll ever hear of them again. Typical of Ms. McGinty to selectively regurgitate excerpts of an article that agrees with her own set of beliefs. Heaven forbid this blog ever contain references that challenge her own preconceived world-view, and, possibly, call on her to re-evaluate it.
If only we all lived in a copy/paste world.
ZZ:
Your black/white world view and circular logic is exactly what causes the rest of us to look on religious fanatics with a mixture of bewilderment and horror.
Faith is fine. Blind faith is terrifying.
Religion helps people. Fine. Few would disagree. But what does that have to do with its truth value?
Many inmates are helped by Buddhist practices. Many addicts and crimnals change their ways after discovernig Islam. I doubt many Christians would accept the truth claims made by Islam and Buddhism because of the help that they have given people.
On a personal note, I would LOVE to see Ms. McGinty take on Hitchens. Maybe next time he is discussing religion on CNN she can be on the other side. After all, he has moved through the most popular opponents to the D-list Christian writers by now.
And, once again our atheists admit defeat by not even ATTEMPTING to refute Michele's actual point, but instead resorting to ad-hominem smears and general petulant quibbles. Thanks guys.
"They need to replace their current belief system with one that frees them and Christianity does that. It frees them from the superstitions that bind them and frees them to think for themselves."
My goodness, that is such an ethnocentric statement. Michele, in all honesty, please do consider taking some anthropology/cultural sensitivity courses.
Lauren
December 30, 2008 9:44 PM
My goodness, that is such an ethnocentric statement. Michele, in all honesty, please do consider taking some anthropology/cultural sensitivity courses.
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Hahahahahahahahaha! Anthropological/cultural sensitivity course! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one, absolutely hilarious! Love it! Anthropological sensitivity course...hahahahahahahahaha!
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Guy Arthur Thomas you are a person who does not believe in anthropology so the laugh's on you fella. ROFL!
I find your blog illinformed and ignorant to the extreme as a person who has lived in several different African countries and can testify to the non-homogenity of Africa and african countries your simplistic view of life is disturbing. You show the same stupidity as your anscestors who were involved in the slave trade and the destruction of Africa in the first place.
ZZ:
I'm not an atheist.
But thank you for further proving my point; anybody who voices a contrasting view, following your logic, must inherently be “against” you.
Not so.
Boris
December 31, 2008 10:25 AM
Guy Arthur Thomas you are a person who does not believe in anthropology so the laugh's on you fella. ROFL!
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Apparently you, Boris, aren't familiar with either the definition of anthropology or my belief system. The only thing you do seem familiar with is your BIGOTED CHRISTOPHOBIA, but that's nothing new for your brand...hahahahahahahahaha!
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cynthia
December 31, 2008 11:13 AM
You show the same stupidity as your anscestors who were involved in the slave trade and the destruction of Africa in the first place.
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Said the clown whose own historical ignorance completely forgot that BLACK AFRICANS themselves sold their own people into slavery and for the last 160 years Africa's decline has been its own through its brutality and stunted culture...please name me one INVENTION of significance coming from Africa since then...just one. Have you ever driven an African car? No? Why not? Because with all of their natural resources they STILL don't have the cultural advancement to produce one. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Guy Racist Bigot,
Anthropology expressly denies the magic breath from Yahweh theory your absurd religion is entirely based on. The reason Africa hasn't been able to make a car is because it has been colonized and enslaved by white supremacist Christians just like you.
Boris
January 1, 2009 1:09 AM
The reason Africa hasn't been able to make a car is because it has been colonized and enslaved by white supremacist Christians just like you.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Deep breath...wiping tears of laughter from eyes...hahahahahahahahahaha! Yeah, tell those victims of the murderers in the Congo who are being slaughtered by their own people and not a white face in sight that it's all "whitey's" fault. Your degree of delusional thinking is impressive but spouting CHRISTOPHOBIC and ANGLOPHOBIC propaganda isn't an effective treatment for your disorder.
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Boris
Don't stress yourself bud. I ignore 90% of Guy's posts because I really believe (based on his 'style' of corresponding) that he is an adolescent (intellectual if not physical) who frequents these boards to vent on his enemy du jour. It does not matter what the topic is, he always has some grandiose, self-important point of view laced with sarcasm that is about as subtle as a freight train.
I mean, he actually coined his own catch-phrase to regurgitate at the end of his posts. Who the heck does that?
Examine the tone and prose of his messages. I simply cannot believe that any rationally thinking adult would so frequently resort to such juvenile hysterics.
Oh, and Happy New Years! =)
Many of my posts are censored because they contain a little too much truth for a Christian blog.
You said regarding Guy Arthur Thomas: Examine the tone and prose of his messages. I simply cannot believe that any rationally thinking adult would so frequently resort to such juvenile hysterics.
Beneath that confident exterior is a tortured mind that is in total panic and fear. Science has shown that God does not exist: God the Failed Hypothesis, How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist by Victor Stenger is a must read. Historians have now completely rejected the historical Jesus. History shows very clearly that Jesus Christ and his disciples including the Apostle Paul never existed. Archaeologists have dug up every inch of Palestine and have found absolutely nothing that could substantiate any of the stories in the Bible. The Passover event is a myth and the Israelites were never even in Egypt. Bible scholars point out that narratives with dialog in them are never historical narratives but are always fictive narratives. But 5th graders know that much. I guess this shows that the average fundamentalist Christian is NOT smarter than a 5th grader.
People like Guy Arthur are frustrated because they can no longer evangelize adults. And when they can’t get other people to buy into the crap they believe it makes them question their own shaky beliefs. Everything I write just pushes Guy Arthur and the other fundies closer to the edge of sanity.
NightLad
January 1, 2009 12:57 PM
I mean, he actually coined his own catch-phrase to regurgitate at the end of his posts. Who the heck does that?
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Obviously you didn't...hahahahahahaha! You're jealous, it's amusing.
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"Archaeologists have dug up every inch of Palestine and have found absolutely nothing that could substantiate any of the stories in the Bible."
I suggest that you do some up-to-date reading about archaeology in the Middle East, even if it's popular stuff like Finkelstein's latest "David and Solomon." Compare assumptions and assertions made by archaeologists in biblical lands to those made by those who work in other areas of the world and you'll see that generally weak evidence is accepted as "true" in extra-biblical areas that is rejected as being "weak" when found in the Middle east. (Although, as a former archaeologist myself and knowing how these things go I have grave suspicions that most of our narrative about most prehistorical socisties anywhere in the world are so far off the mark as to be laughable...)
Also, you may want to qualify yourself... there is a difference between claiming that an historical figure (such as Jesus, and Paul, etc) was not what he has presented himself as and/or claimed to be and claiming that he did not exist at all.
Guy,
Cultural insensitivity kills. Anthropology saves lives. You strike me as ignorant and blissfully so. That's a shame. Next please.
Since, to white Europeans, African natives were uncivilized so that there was little wrong in treating them as animals. The white man's atrocities in conquering the inlands of Africa far surpass any of the atrocities that have made news in this century.
The best chronicle I've seen of the white man's drive to take over Africa is Thomas Pakenham's The Scramble for Africa. It's a thick book replete with atrocities committed by guns versus spears and arrows.
Your Name,
The Bible has NO historical narratives in it. Narratives with dialog between people, people and angels, people and demons, people and Satan, people and a god are always fictive narratives. There are no and can be no exceptions to this rule. There are still people trying to find Troy and prove Homer is somewhat historical too. There couldn’t be a bigger waste of time. I find it fascinating that the average person cannot figure out that dialog in a narrative is a dead giveaway that the narrative they are reading is fiction.
Like a typical Christian you distort the language to try to give credence to your assertion. Calling Jesus Christ an historical figure will not make him one. I will emphatically state that none of the major figure mentioned in the Bible such as Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, John, Paul and Jesus never existed. I base this on the fact that there is absolutely not one shred of evidence for the existence of any of these figures. And they all talk to boogymen. Case closed.
A response to Michelle's "take that Hitchens" comment.
Christianity creates otherworld entities and dimensions of alleged reality which are unsupported by scientific and rational evidence. It draws the focus of attention and energy away from the present world of day-to-day existence where we lead our actual lives, to a dimension which may well be pure fantasy, and thus the real world gets neglected, disparaged, distorted; it becomes populated with concepts which can only be detrimental to humanity’s enlightenment. Belief in angels and devils and personal savior gods has never produced one iota of real human progress. Conviction of salvation comes attached to required doctrines of faith, and not all are going to adopt those doctrines; many will have other, rival faiths of their own. Such differences create divisions between people, families, societies, nations; they have formed a long line of unbelievers, heretics, infidels, those in league with evil forces, leading to inquisition, witch hunts, religious wars.
Christianity is a cult based on the worship of living Jews as Gods. It a very dangerous and violent cult that seeks to exterminate all that refuse to worship Jews as living Gods. In its 2,000 years of exixtence The Christian cult has masascred hundreds of millions of innocent men women and children that refuse to worsip the evil Jew as the living God.
The level of ignorance, bias, cultural insensitivity, imbalance and just plain stupidity, not to mention idiocy, in the comments are astounding and very sad. "I will emphatically state that none of the major figure mentioned in the Bible such as Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, John, Paul and Jesus never existed. I base this on the fact that there is absolutely not one shred of evidence for the existence of any of these figures." That is not only not true, the writer exhibits the determination of a closed mind. Use your own argument. Saying God doesn't exist doesn't make it so. "Christianity is a cult based on the worship of living Jews as Gods." What nonsense. Anthropology saves lives? Is it not slavery to deny people the right to move into the 21st century?
Not only are the arguments presented here without value, they have long ago been discarded by Christian and non-Christian alike. What nonsense parading as wisdom.
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