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Mumbai was “in many ways a pre-emptive strike against Obama’s strategy for the region”

posted by Susan Johnson | 7:11am Monday December 1, 2008

The speculation is that the terrorists were trying to destabilize the region to disrupt Pakistan’s help with al-Qaida (they might have to move their troops off the border with Afghanistan):

Relations between India and Pakistan were on a knife edge last night amid fears that Delhi’s response to the Mumbai attacks could undermine the Pakistani army’s campaign against Islamic militants on the frontier with Afghanistan.
Officials and analysts in the region believe that last week’s atrocities were designed to provoke a crisis, or even a war, between the nuclear-armed neighbours, diverting Islamabad’s attention from extremism in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan and thus relieving pressure on al-Qaeda, Taleban and other militants based there.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt.cgi?__mode=view&_type=entry&blog_id=72

One analyst even described the attacks as a “pre-emptive strike” against Barack Obama’s strategy to put Pakistan and Afghanistan at the centre of US foreign policy.
The United States and its allies now face a balancing act in supporting India’s efforts to investigate the Mumbai attacks, without jeopardizing Pakistan’s crucial support for the Nato campaign in Afghanistan.
India’s government, facing an election by May, is under enormous pressure to respond to the attacks, which it believes was carried out by the Pakistani militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, possibly with the help of al Qaeda.

So, much for Obama bringing peace to the world. If you thought he could, you’re learning a very valuable lesson. We don’t control the war, the enemy does.



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blah

posted December 1, 2008 at 9:55 am


He’s not the president yet, you deranged woman.



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Minnie

posted December 1, 2008 at 11:22 am


Keep up the sour grapes, Michele. It’s still hilarious watching you flail and whine over the election.
Obama’s not even in office yet and you’re already unhinged. I’m loving it. I can’t wait to see how deranged you get once he’s officially president. It will be even funnier than it is now.



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Your Name

posted December 1, 2008 at 1:39 pm


“deranged woman”. Way to keep it classy there blah. You need to ban that clown, Michelle.
This is totally logical. Why the heck would Pakistan try to launch an attack like this? What could they possibly gain from it.
It doesn’t matter. Obama will just “decry the violence”, let the whole region disintegrate, and wait for us to get nuked.



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Minnie

posted December 1, 2008 at 3:05 pm


The United States has a larger nuclear arsenal than any other country in the world except Russia. Pakistan would have to be stupid and/or suicidal to attack us. That’s not going to happen.
Also, it’s stupid to say that “the enemy” controls the war. We’re talking about a small number of armed, crazed militants, not a large scale military force. These attacks were perpetrated by a small band of fanatics to try and provoke a war between India and Pakistan for their own agenda. We can’t just go flying off the handle or wringing our hands in fear. We need to be sensible about this.
After the last eight years of Republican idiocy on foreign policy, I would hope people have learned that we can’t just run in, guns blazing at the first signs of violence. We need to take a deep breath, see what the real situation on the ground is, THEN figure out how to act.



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ZZ

posted December 1, 2008 at 4:26 pm


“we can’t just run in, guns blazing at the first signs of violence”
??????????????????
Umm, who exactly is proposing this? Nobody? Didn’t think so.
Pakistan won’t be the ones nuking us. Obama will stand aside while Iran gets the bomb and fulfills their threats by using it against Israel. Israel will have no choice but a devastating response. Pakistani militants, aghast at this offence by the Jeeeewwws against “brother muslims”, will overthrow the goverment and nuke Israel more thoroughly, at which point we’ll have to respond. It’s probably unavoidable, but an Obama presidency will just hasten it.



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Robert

posted December 1, 2008 at 4:26 pm


“We don’t control the war, the enemy does.”
If you really believe 10 hoodlums in Mumbai controls the war, some of the unflattering descriptions above may prove apt. India is the Indians’ country to keep at peace.



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Minnie

posted December 1, 2008 at 6:35 pm


What a sad, paranoid world you must live in, ZZ.



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ZZ

posted December 1, 2008 at 6:44 pm


Minnie, you would have said the same thing if I’d predicted 9/11. It’s a great mistake to underestimate what these Islamist wackos are capable of.
But hey, it’s statistically improbable that you personally will be killed, so screw your fellow citizens, right?



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Minnie

posted December 1, 2008 at 7:47 pm


It’s a great mistake to underestimate what these Islamist wackos are capable of.
You mean like when Bush ignored the warnings for 9/11 in the weeks before the attacks? Al Qaeda had attacked the WTC in 1993, and Clinton spent a lot of time and focus on both terrorism and Bin Laden for *years* with the only response from the Republicans being that it was all just a way to deflect attention from Monica Lewinsky and whatever scandals the GOP were hyperventilating about that day.
It’s laughable now that the GOP cares so much about terrorism when all those years ago, they were so quick to dismiss it all as a distraction back when Clinton was president. Once Bush got into office and the Towers came down, then you idiots started to care. Before then? Ha! Not a chance.
Guess what? The Indian government had ample warning of the Mumbai attacks, even from the US. They just pulled a Bush and didn’t take it seriously, and look what happened.
Law enforcement, taking threats seriously, and working with a sense of proportion instead of going off half-cocked like the Republicans have done since 9/11 is a much smarter way to go than wringing your hands and whining about those evil terrorists who are out to kill us all. It’s entirely possible to protect this country without being an imbecile about it. Too bad the Republicans haven’t learned that yet.
BTW, statistically, we’re ALL going to die someday. It’s inevitable.



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posted December 2, 2008 at 3:14 pm


“Bush ignored the warnings for 9/11″
Oh, horsehocky. Have you ever heard the term “complete freaking surprise”. That’s what 9/11 was to every person on EARTH, not just Bush.
Sure, if we were invaded by Martians tomorrow, you could probably find some crackpot somewhere who had been predicting it all along, and we would lambast our leaders for not having listened to the guy.



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Minnie

posted December 2, 2008 at 8:56 pm


That’s what 9/11 was to every person on EARTH, not just Bush.
Er, no. It was a surprise to everyone else, but not to the President or his national security people:
http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/
The government knew there was a real and credible threat to this country from Al Qaeda. They might not have known when or where, but there were definite signs that an attack was coming down the pipeline. It just wasn’t taken seriously by the White House.



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Minnie

posted December 3, 2008 at 11:33 am


How cute. You’re blaming Clinton when at the time, the only thing the Republicans cared about was saying that he was only concerned with terrorism as a way to dodge questions about Whitewater and Monica. Nice try, but it won’t work.
Even if we didn’t have specific details of what date and time, there were definite signs of an attack that was incoming. Tenet at the CIA was darn near apoplectic trying to get anyone to listen to him, but Bush was on vacation and couldn’t be bothered and the rest of the country paid for it.
No, you don’t start shooting down random airliners. That’s a typical bit of Republican idiocy, though. Shoot first, ask questions later? Yeah, that’s worked *real* well in the last several years.
What you do is follow leads, take the threats seriously, and use the available law enforcement channels you’ve got. Many of the hijackers were here illegally. There were suspicions raised when these guys were taking flying lessons, but not wanting to learn how to land the planes. If we’d intervened then, arresting and/or deporting them in advance, we might have been spared the attacks. But that would have involved an administration that took terrorism seriously when it came into office, and we didn’t have that.



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ZZ

posted December 3, 2008 at 1:07 pm


“There were suspicions raised when these guys were taking flying lessons, but not wanting to learn how to land the planes. If we’d intervened then, arresting and/or deporting them in advance, we might have been spared the attacks”.
And who exactly was supposed to connect these dots? The Federal Beaureu of Flying School Snooping? If such a thing had existed before 9/11, you and every other lefty would be screaming that your rights were violated. There simply had never been a federal agency before that had any mandate to do something like that, simply because the mode of attack was utterly original. The idea that Bush was personally asleep at the switch somehow because he didn’t have the clairvoyance to read Bin Laden’s mind is so childish it deserves no refutation.
And what exactlty would you arrect them for? Taking flying lessons? Trample on the Consitution much?



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Minnie

posted December 3, 2008 at 2:15 pm


And who exactly was supposed to connect these dots?
All of the federal law enforcement agencies who were getting clear enough signs of an imminent attack that the director of the CIA was beside himself trying to get people in the White House to listen to him. That’s who.
I know the Republicans want desperately to blame Clinton for 9/11, but they dropped the ball because they were the ones in power when the attacks happened. They had the intel that told them something was coming down the line, and they didn’t do a darn thing to try and stop it.
The buck stops with the current White House occupant. That would be Bush. Period.



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Minnie

posted December 3, 2008 at 2:19 pm


Trample on the Consitution much?
A Republican whining about trampling on the Constitution after the last eight years of Bush/Cheney? LOL! That’s rich.
Thanks for the laugh. I needed it.



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posted December 3, 2008 at 2:33 pm


“All of the federal law enforcement agencies who were getting clear enough signs of an imminent attack that the director of the CIA was beside himself trying to get people in the White House to listen to him. ”
Baloney. Never happenned. Cite references other than the Daily Kos, thank you.



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Minnie

posted December 3, 2008 at 9:22 pm


I never cited Daily Kos. Try again.
And I could give plenty of sources: The Washington Post, the New York Times, Time, Newsweek, any number of books that have been published in the last years since 9/11, the 9/11 commission itself, etc.
You idiots would just find a way to chalk it up to liberal media bias, so why bother? Live in your little dead end Republican world where nothing is ever Bush’s fault, and his administration never failed at anything. Even he’s not dumb enough to say that anymore, but you guys still manage. Good job.



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