Because he came out against gay marriage:
“Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans,” the president of Human Rights Campaign, Joe Solomonese, wrote Obama Wednesday. “[W]e feel a deep level of disrespect when one of architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination.”
The rapid, angry reaction from a range of gay activists comes as the gay rights movement looks for an opportunity to flex its political muscle. Last summer gay groups complained, but were rebuffed by Obama, when an “ex-gay” singer led Obama’s rallies in South Carolina. And many were shocked last month when voters approved the California ban.
Evidently, they don’t care that he supports civil unions. It’s all or nothing I guess. I think they’re making a mistake here, they’re trying to make Obama choose between Evangelicals and gays, they lost that battle the last time:
The rapid, angry reaction from a range of gay activists comes as the gay rights movement looks for an opportunity to flex its political muscle. Last summer gay groups complained, but were rebuffed by Obama, when an “ex-gay” singer led Obama’s rallies in South Carolina. And many were shocked last month when voters approved the California ban.
If they flex their muscle and he doesn’t respond, doesn’t that make them look weak? Doesn’t make sense to press an issue unless you know you can win. I think hitting against such a benign pastor (he is certainly not a member of the religious right), is a tactile mistake. Warren is certainly no Dobson or Robertson!



posted December 18, 2008 at 11:24 am
“is a tactile mistake”
A mistake you can touch?
posted December 18, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Pro-life groups are also upset about Warren speaking:
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/504326.aspx
posted December 18, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Why do we have a person who thinks Bronze Age myths should be taken literally anywhere near the president in the first place? I thought Obama was bringing change to Washington. The first change should be to ignore the religious wrong in this country and sweep them into the dustbin of history like the Europeans did decades ago.
posted December 18, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I’ve never been particularly comfortable with the unofficial “pastor to the President” (to Washington, really) appointment. Makes me wonder whether Huckabee would have done his own invocation.
(I favored Huckabee because he would have likely done away with a Graham-type influence in the WH – uh, where two or three Baptists are gathered, you know, there’s a pot-luck dinner “in His Name” … or maybe that was Presbyterians … anyway, too many cooks.)
posted December 19, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Hey, Boris, why don’t we just murder all our Jews like the Europeans did decades ago? That was one of the main results of their new “rationalism”.
I really wonder why he keeps posting, given the essentially zero chance that any of the Christians here are going to just go “Gee, you’re right!” and throw all our beliefs away. Maybe he’s unemployed.
posted December 19, 2008 at 9:41 pm
As a gay Presbyterian, I applaud the choice of Rick Warren for the invocation. He and I may not agree on every point of public policy, but at the end of the day he walks a Christlike walk and doesn’t just talk a Christlike talk. As for this talk about murdering Jews, or gays, somebody needs a job. Let us pray….
posted December 19, 2008 at 9:43 pm
“The gays are really upset that Rick Warren is giving the invocation
…
Because he came out against gay marriage”
No, Michele, that is not true. IOW, it’s a lie, a big fat stinking lie (aka the bearing of false witness, aka a sin. But what else is new, here on B’net?)
We are really upset at the false witness (aka lying, aka sinning) against God’s gay and lesbian children perpetrated by Mr. Warren.
Our relationships are notB like pedophilia at all.
But then again, “blessed are you when people revile you, and persecute you and say all manner of evil against you falsely in My name.” Such a “blessing” Unca Rick (and YOU) continue to give us with your filthy stinking lies.
posted December 20, 2008 at 9:55 am
ZZ,
It was evangelical Christians who murdered the Jews and other non-Christians in Europe. Hitler was a Christian and the MOST Christian man who ever lived. He roasted millions of people who disagreed with Jesus only because they weren’t Christians and for NO other reason much like Jesus himself supposedly does. Now what human being has ever been more like Jesus Christ than Adolph Hitler may I ask? The Holocaust is Christianity’s finest hour. So you tell me ZZ, what is it keeps you Christians from murdering millions of Jews and non-Christians like you did in the Holocaust?
posted December 21, 2008 at 5:55 pm
“Hitler was a Christian”
Oh, really. You can do better than that. Just because somebody self-identifies as something doesn’t mean he IS something. If I call myself a hedgehog that doesn’t mean I AM one. History is full of people who claim to hold all kinds of beliefs while rejecting the central tenets of those beliefs. Besides, toward the end of the war he dissolved the churches in Germany and replaced him with his own personality cult. Hardly the actions of a guy who thought there was a God to fear.
Plus, his rationale for the holocaust had NOTHING to do with his religious beliefs and EVERYTHING to do with the “ubermensch” philosophy of Nietzsche (probably one of your heroes”
You’re really sealed your irrelevancy with that comment. Run along and play.
posted December 21, 2008 at 8:06 pm
ZZ,
Hitler’s own words prove you a liar:
“National Socialism is not a cult-movement– a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship… We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else– in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will– not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]
“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]
Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
“Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)
“The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)
“With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)
“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties– and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
“…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion.” -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)
“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)