Christians cannot get it through their skulls that ALL wars are wrong, all killing is wrong, all unprovoked invasions and incursions are wrong. That is because their holy book talks about an evil God who almost exclusively uses violence and murder to get things done. The world is a very dangerous violent place because of only one reason: RELIGION, especially the Christian religion. The Christian war mongering rednecks like Michelle make me puke.

Reid was using what means he had at hand to try and end the huge mess that Bush got the country and the world in for very personal reasons. If this disaster continues the nation will surely divide as it did during Viet Nam. It is all well and good to support the military personel. But if they think they are going to Iraq to defend our country, they have been greatly deluded. There is nothing heroic about this war – it was for the Bush family “honor” and to fill the Cheney’s coffers through Halliburtion and its subsidiaries. Instead, it has been filling coffins, destroying the lives of the military personel and their families, and the economy has taken a huge tumble as well, but these two villains get away without a scratch, and plenty of dough to go. There is nothing righteous, just, or wise about this war. Of course, it has been a great distraction from the military’s inability to find and capture binLaden.
Let’s hope the new administration finds a quick and appropriate way out of this disaster. If it takes defunding the effort, that is the way it will have to be.

We are so tired of your incessant tirades about how others are “traitors” and “unpatriotic” because they do not support an unjust war or a morally bankrupt presidency. You and your ilk have over the last eight years run this country into the ground and given the followers of Christ who have actually read and subscribe to the Sermon on the Mount a black eye.Jan 20 cannot come soon enough for me.Good Riddance.

Why is a Christian so in love with war, death, and making money? Michelle needs to spend some time in the Scriptures and less time blogging. Really, truly, why does Steve Waldman allow this blog to remain on his site?

“ALL wars are wrong”
Unseating Hitler was wrong. Not even worthy of refutation.
“The world is a very dangerous violent place because of only one reason: RELIGION”
This canard of “Christianity has killed more people than anything else” is so absurd that the only reason people keep bringing it up must be to make us waste time and effort on refutation. But if that’s what you want, here goes:
Think of all the wars going back in western history. WWII, WWI, the Crimean War, the Civil War, the NAPOLEONIC Wars, the Seven Years’ War, the War of the Spanish Succession, the conquests of Charlemagne, the conquests of Rome, The Punic Wars, the conquests of Alexander the Great, the Pelloponesian War, the Persian War, the SEIGE OF FREAKING TROY. NONE of them had ANYTHING to do with religion. The only two I can think of are the Crusades, which, while unfortunate, had political causes as well and were essentially started by Muslim attacks on Europe. Then there were some minor European conflicts associated with the rise of Protestantism. Neither of those had anywhere NEAR the casualty counts of the others I listed. Case closed.

ZZ unseating Hitler was necessary because he was attempting to Christianize the entire world. Evangelical Christians had rounded up 6 million Jews and 5 million other non-Christians and murdered them their religious holy war.
When God Sanctions Violence, Believers Act More Aggressively
Reading violent scriptures increases aggressive behavior, especially among believers, according to a new study. The study by University of Michigan social psychologist Brad Bushman and colleagues helps to illuminate one of the ways that violence and behavior are linked.
“To justify their actions, violent people often claim that God has sanctioned their behavior,” said Bushman, faculty associate at the U-M Institute for Social Research and lead author of the article published in the March 2007 issue of Psychological Science. “Christian extremists, Jewish reactionaries and Islamic fundamentalists all can cite scriptures that seem to encourage or at least support aggression against unbelievers.”
“O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle — be Thou near them! With them — in spirit — we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved fire sides to smite the foe.
O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells;
help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead
help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain;
help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire;
help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst,
sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it
– for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.”
– Mark Twain, “The War Prayer”.

Wow. Godwin’s got invoked very quickly. I guess that’s what happens when you’ve got nothing else to go on.
Also, the only people who have been right about Iraq are the ones who opposed the war from the beginning. Anyone who supported that war is wrong now, and has been wrong from the start. Period.

“To justify their actions, violent people often claim that God has sanctioned their behavior”
The key word is CLAIM, genius. People always try to co-op the most respectable thing around for their schemes. If Christianity didn’t exist, they probably would have said they were doing it with the sanction of the Bee Gees or apple pie or something. You TRULY have no point.

ZZ I made a very clear point that people who believe in God are very dangerous and absolutely cannot be trusted. Just because you don’t agree with the point I made doesn’t mean I didn’t make one and well too. It is YOUR comments that are pointless not only because they are incoherent but because they are based on a belief in magic and fairy tales.

The Iraqi war was not a war of necessity; it is a war of luxury. The Afghanistan war was not a war of luxury; it was necessity.
As such, Harry Reid, who was deceived by President Bush in 2003 about the Iraqi invasion has the right to oppose a war that was launched for corrupted reasons. As such he was showing patriotism to his country because he didn’t want young men and women to lose their limbs, get their nerves shattered or even get killed for the mistakes of those who did not go to war, and whom were then thinking it’d be a cakewalk.
Similarly there are those who sincerely believed that Saddam was somehow linked with 9/11 and will never deviate from that view. As such they believe the invasion was right and the costs suffered is worth the price.
In any case, all these bickering is really silly, and frankly the old dog about patriotism, blind or not, doesn’t bite. We all know the Iraqi war is unnecessary in the first place. The surge was to simply patch up and rectify the huge mistakes that the Bush administration approved in previous years. Some supported, some did not.
Still, in the end, Michele, the whole world has a dim view about the Iraqi nonsense. Yes the CENTCOM general has done very well in the surge and he’s a good guy. But don’t accuse and dismiss everyone just because he didn’t support the Iraqi war or the surge. People have the right to state their opinion, even if they differ from yours. This is about respect Michele, and I hope you still have some of it.