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While I was away from the blog

Saturday January 31, 2009

I'm finally getting around to reading all the comments that you guys were posting when Sarah took over the blog. Sarah told me about this comment: Sarah, you absolutely must not lock your mother in the basement, no matter how...
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MzEllen
January 31, 2009 5:32 PM

I guess I shouldn't have been surprised that someone would say something like that to my daughter as she was recovering from seeing her mom in such excruciating pain.

And yet...

Being Reformed...this could be a 'teachable moment'. We are all evil - we all deserve death and hell. That's the "T" in TULIP and we are all touched by it.

We deal with things like cancer because of sin - whether you buy into imputed guilt or not, Adam brought sickness and death into the world.

What this election cycle...and now these comments have shown me is that for a few people there cannot be civil political disagreement. If you disagree with them, they hate you (you can read that into their writing) and assume that you hate them.

The readers here who make cruel comments do not hate you because you are evil. They hate you because you disagree with them politically. This has been an ongoing thing here.

ZZ
January 31, 2009 8:43 PM

Hear Hear, MzEllen.

Michelle may be a little bit frank about her opinions, but this is her blog after all.

Anybody that would be mean to her kids under these circumstances has no shame, none at all.

Michelle, maybe when the weather gets better you can take some short strolls outside. That would get you some exercise and you wouldn't have to overdo it.

Moonshadow
January 31, 2009 9:06 PM

Good suggestion about getting outside, ZZ. Tomorrow's supposed to be mid-40's, not bad for this time of year.

Believe me, I cringed every time Boris proved your theology. And every time I did too.

pagansister
January 31, 2009 9:16 PM

Glad you were able to go to the store... and expect you were really tired afterward. It will take a while to get your strength back, as I'm sure you know, but taking little steps like today will help it return. Continue to Hang in there!!!!


Let us know how the chili turns out!

cx
February 1, 2009 8:28 AM

When out shopping, be the one pushing the cart. My wife finds this helps her quite a bit. I'm not sure whether it's the steadying influence, or the support of the four wheels, but she's much better with the cart than without.

Funny, I also assumed you were advocating for Senator Reid's death.

MzEllen
February 1, 2009 9:21 AM

I agree about pushing the cart. It does the same thing as one of those walkers on wheels.

Moonshadow
February 1, 2009 11:05 AM

I also assumed you were advocating for Senator Reid's death.

It's something of a sanctimonious joke in my religious circle to prayer for "the happy death" of an adversary. I thought nothing of it.

Boris
February 1, 2009 1:04 PM

I agree that Michelle and the Christian bigots like her are truly evil people. But they are also the most hypocritical and dishonest people on the planet.

Fifteen hundred years of medical progress were stifled by the Christian Church. Were it not for religious persecution and oppression of science, mankind might have landed on the moon in the year 650 CE. Cancer may have been eradicated forever by the year 800 CE. And heart disease may, today, be unknown.

Christians angrily denounced the introduction of medicines, antibiotics, anesthesia, surgery, blood transfusions, birth control, transplants, in vitro fertilization and most forms of painkillers. Supposedly, these scientific tools interfered with nature and therefore were against God's will. Today, Christians are fighting stem-cell research, cloning technology and genetic engineering. But when cloning laboratories provide an unlimited supply of transplant tissue for dying children, and when genetic engineering cures all forms of cancer, Christian leaders (read liars) will once again forget their initial opposition and hail these achievements as evidence of god's love for mankind.

Michelle is suffering with cancer right now for one reason and one reason only. HER religion. It is the Christian religion and this religion ONLY that has kept humanity from finding cures and remedies for diseases right down through history. I call on Michelle to explain why she went running to the “evolutionists” when she got sick instead of seeking a faith healer. Luke 9 clearly states that diseases are caused by demon possession and are cured by authority and NOT human knowledge. Come on Michelle tell us all why you still don’t believe in modern science and the Theory of Evolution by natural selection.

MzEllen
February 1, 2009 1:12 PM

Boris, you are the one who pronounced those who disagree with you as "evil"...and now you agree with yourself.

Boris, Scripture tells us that there are different reasons for illness and Luke (the human writer of the books of Luke and Acts) was a physician.

You are a liar as well. Christians do not fight "stem-cell research". Many Christian oppose embryonic research, but fully support other sorts of stem-cell research, some of which have yielded results that are in use today.

There is a long history in the story of humanity that embraces whatever medicine is available at the time. I encourage Michele to do her research, stand by her convictions and ignore the hatred that is spewed here.

Boris
February 1, 2009 2:13 PM

You said: Boris, you are the one who pronounced those who disagree with you as "evil"...and now you agree with yourself.
Boris says: People can disagree with me all they want and that doesn’t make them evil. What makes people evil is religion. Without religion good people would still do good things but it takes religion for good people to do evil.
You said: Boris, Scripture tells us that there are different reasons for illness and Luke (the human writer of the books of Luke and Acts) was a physician.
Boris says: “Scripture” (read Christian nonsense) says the earth is flat and immovable and had vegetation on it BEFORE the sun and moon even existed. ROFL! Where in the Bible does it say that a physician or someone named Luke wrote the Gospel of Luke? Where does it tell us who wrote any of the Gospels? These gospels had no names attached to them for the first few centuries of their existence. Where are you getting your information? Like a true fundamentalist you know next to nothing about your own religion.
You said: You are a liar as well. Christians do not fight "stem-cell research". Many Christian oppose embryonic research, but fully support other sorts of stem-cell research, some of which have yielded results that are in use today.
Boris says: A Christian calling an atheist a liar is so absurd and hypocritical it’s just hilarious. Atheism is the unbridled search for truth and Christianity is the false claim to already have it. I never met a Christian who wasn’t a liar. You’re false accusations prove you’re a liar too. Just because I left out a word doesn’t make me a liar.
You said: There is a long history in the story of humanity that embraces whatever medicine is available at the time. I encourage Michele to do her research, stand by her convictions and ignore the hatred that is spewed here.
Boris says: I called Michelle out from under her rock. Let’s see if she has the nerve to respond.

MzEllen
February 1, 2009 2:36 PM

Michele, how are you feeling today...I know that the temptation is to overdo...

take it easy, kick up your feet and enjoy the game!

ZZ
February 1, 2009 3:09 PM

Just keep it up Boris. You are giving our casual readers the impression that atheists are heartless wackos, while doing absolutely nothing to endanger the faith of our Christian readers. Thanks for the help.

Robert
February 1, 2009 3:54 PM

I can understand your chagrin, but if any Christian of any age is going to broadcast his or her thoughts to the world, or any non-Christian for that matter, it's best to be ready for any kind of response. And it's precisely the kind of response Sarah got that allows her to show her faith to the max.

As for your quoting the verse on Reid, it seems a bit disingenuous that now you are saying, oh, you didn't mean that you were praying he would die. See above.

All that being said, get well soon.

anonymous reincarnate
February 1, 2009 8:27 PM

"And now I know first hand what it feels like to live with it and it's not fun."

but the question is, do you have the capacity for empathy to understand the situation of thousands in this country who find themselves in the same medical condition without the benefit of quality healthcare because they cannot afford it, or because they lost their job and their insurance along with it? how empathetic will you be when it comes to the discussion of healthcare and insurance reform in the coming months?

as i've said before, you're a republican until it happens to you. so maybe until you find yourself incapable of paying for your treatments (for whatever reason) you still won't know "first hand" what it feels like.

MzEllen
February 1, 2009 8:51 PM

Yes...calling a woman with cancer "evil" on her personal blog is considered so "polite".

anonymous reincarnate
February 1, 2009 9:09 PM

"...while doing absolutely nothing to endanger the faith of our Christian readers"

nope, there are plenty of others (zz, michele, mzellen, and more) who do that. the group of "christians" on this blog have done more than anyone to expose how repugnant and repulsive their twist on christianity is.

"We deal with things like cancer because of sin - whether you buy into imputed guilt or not, Adam brought sickness and death into the world."

just like a woman to blame the man! and why punish me or my children supposedly for a choice made my adam, thousands of years ago? wasn't it was satan's fault, since he tempted eve? or maybe it is eve's fault for tempting adam. according to doctrine, god created all things good and evil, so actually god brought sickness and death into the world. of course introducing sickness as punishment for sin is a great excuse for why an omniscient god would have created a flawed being. but then why inflict animals and plants with disease and death, too? nope, i don't buy into imputed guilt, or that adam brought sickness and death into the world.

anonymous reincarnate
February 1, 2009 9:14 PM

"Yes...calling a woman with cancer 'evil' on her personal blog is considered so 'polite'."

boris is no less "polite" than you, michele, zz, guy, or myself for that matter. michele's condition doesn't seem to have changed her disposition toward liberals, why should it change how others feel about her?

Moonshadow
February 1, 2009 9:45 PM

I call on Michelle to explain why she went running to the “evolutionists” when she got sick instead of seeking a faith healer.

At the risk of offending everyone, I also recommend that michele avail herself of an anointing and prayers ... just as that PCA pastor did on that Jolly Blogger blog.

But if she does (or has), it's nobody's business.

Julie
February 1, 2009 10:04 PM

Many talkers, is anyone listening?

James 1 Listening and Doing

19 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,

20 for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires.

21 Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.

22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.

23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror

24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.

25 But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.

26 If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.

MzEllen
February 1, 2009 10:21 PM

Anon, I understand that you don't believe, but it should not be stunning to you that Christians do.

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned"(,,,) Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.

But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

Robert
February 1, 2009 10:36 PM

Yes...calling a woman with cancer "evil" on her personal blog is considered so "polite".

Polite it is not. Helpful it probably isn't, either. Justified, yes, but see polite and helpful.

I consider myself a Christian, but your behavior is making me question my faith. If this is the behavior of other Christians then I want no part of it.

Entirely understandable, but not necessary. If you love Christ, ignore evil and mean spirited people, whomever they may be, and focus on Christ.

Genie
February 1, 2009 11:30 PM

They don't consider me evil, they know the real me, not the caricature that you lefties have created in your own minds (most people who know me in real life actually like me and some even love me -- I've never met anyone who thought I was evil).

Michelle, does it occur to you that if you venture online to blog on whatever you feel like and more than a few people find you to be evil, maybe, just maybe, the problem is you and your tiny little group?

anonymous reincarnate
February 1, 2009 11:48 PM

nice sermon, ellen. you've proven to us that you can regurgitate scripture (romans chapter 5?). i've studied the bible for many years. it hasn't convinced me that the suffering of every human was brought about by a man eating an apple. you've done nothing to persuade me either.

you shouldn't be stunned that, like me, many christians don't believe that every word in the bible is the literal word of god. that is a tenant of fundamentalists who put more faith in faith than they do in reality and common sense.

MzEllen
February 2, 2009 11:16 AM

Anonymous, no. I'm not stunned. The hatred that is spewed toward Christians like Michele and I on our own blogs merely show the intolerance of liberals toward those who do not believe as they do.

But now, on this morning...I am more concerned with the hostess that graciously allows free reign of comments on her personal blog. Michele, how are you feeling today?

Moonshadow
February 2, 2009 11:34 AM

nice sermon, ellen.

I liked it too. And yes, Julie, we are all listening ... this blog has been so slow the last couple o' weeks, everyone can keep up just fine.

Is "Genie" really "Gene?" Just wondering ...

Another warm, sunny day in NJ!

MzEllen
February 2, 2009 1:21 PM

Genie, the hatred that comes from liberals toward conservatives shows a fundamental lack of tolerance for those who disagree with them. At least you have admitted the hatred.

Laurnb
February 2, 2009 1:59 PM

Michele, I am so sorry you are going through this ordeal. I'm sure it has been difficult for you and your family. Grace and Peace to you.

MzEllen
February 2, 2009 4:02 PM

Michelle, does it occur to you that if you venture online to blog on whatever you feel like and more than a few people find you to be evil, maybe, just maybe, the problem is you and your tiny little group?

I think that I would encourage Michele to keep God and Scripture as the basis for her definition of "evil", rather than the pro-abortion, pro-gay lobby.

Genie
February 2, 2009 8:52 PM

"Genie, the hatred that comes from liberals toward conservatives shows a fundamental lack of tolerance for those who disagree with them. At least you have admitted the hatred."

Why would you suppose I am liberal? I am hardly a fan of Obama and crowd. Nor does pointing out the meanness on both sides of the discussion equate with hate. You are sounding like a liberal, yourself.

MzEllen
February 2, 2009 9:02 PM

Genie, I never said that you were a liberal. I only said that the hatred that comes from liberals toward conservatives shows a fundamental lack of tolerance.

I did not say that you were showing hatred, only that you could see it and admit it.

Are you saying that hatred = liberal?

Boris
February 2, 2009 11:12 PM

ZZ,
You said: Just keep it up Boris. You are giving our casual readers the impression that atheists are heartless wackos, while doing absolutely nothing to endanger the faith of our Christian readers. Thanks for the help.

Boris says: You wish. I’m knocking over Christian arguments like bowling pins. I don’t expect to be able to change the minds of people like you and Michelle and other fundamentalists who actually think that if they question their faith for even a brief moment they will spend eternity in hell. There is no way people like you can make an objective decision about your faith because you’ve let other PEOPLE scare you literally out of your minds and into believing the most absurd dogmas, doctrines and fairy tales man has ever invented. But other people aren’t so easily frightened and they can see I make some very good points and aren’t afraid to consider them like you are. Proof of that is none of them have been refuted by you or anyone else on this blog. If you could refute what I write you would not have to resort to constant ad hominem attacks.

anonymous reincarnate
February 2, 2009 11:45 PM

"...the hatred that comes from liberals toward conservatives shows a fundamental lack of tolerance for those who disagree with them"

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090202/ap_on_re_us/election_bias_attacks

A man accused of leading an election night rampage that put one victim in a coma told a judge Monday he organized the attacks because he was drunk and angry about Barack Obama's victory.
Prosecutors had accused Nicoletti of driving the group to a black neighborhood, where they stopped a Liberian immigrant and beat him with a metal pipe and police baton.
They later pushed a black man to the ground, demanded that a Hispanic man tell them how he voted, and yelled profanities about Obama as they drove past blacks at a hair salon, court papers said.
Finally, the defendants used their car to run over a white man, Ronald Forte, who they mistakenly believed was black, the papers said. The victim was in a coma for several days but survived.

Nicoletti admitted on Monday that he was behind the wheel. He said he had originally intended to drive close enough to Forte so that one of his friends could lean out the car window and hit him. But he changed his mind "in the last few seconds" and swerved into the victim, he said.

you were saying?

we disagree, but i don't run you down with my car or beat you to a pulp with a bat.

MzEllen
February 2, 2009 11:57 PM

Boris, nor have I you...

Robert
February 3, 2009 12:41 AM

To make a long story short, I learned earlier today that my treatment--and my condition is nothing like Michelle's, this is nothing she'd likely run into--is probably killing me. Loss of awareness, coma, death, usually not a particularly painful passing from my particular condition.

I have made it 43 years, 6 months, and 18 days since my first diagnosis with cancer. I've had a good life. Ironically, the chemo I've been taking to prevent liver cancer has probably....Well. For me, at least, conservative vs liberal, Obamanite vs Thompsonite, pretty much who cares?

Julie
February 3, 2009 2:56 AM

Robert,

I am sorry to hear about your health problems. I pray for your comfort and peace. I also pray that other, especially Michele and Ellen, listen to your profound words "who cares."

A Christian is called to be a better person. There is nothing positive gained from attacking back with it is always the evil liberals fault. Christians are God's representatives to the world. Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself. He did not provide any excepts for not being loving to people that are rude or do not agree with you.

Throughout the election Michele reveled in finding something negative or mean spirited to say about President Obama. The constant negativity is not good for anyone's health or spirit.

It is not necessary to agree with everything about another person to find something good about them. Rod Dreher has a nice posting titled, "Barack Obama's class." Rod does not agree with everything Obama, yet he is able to acknowledge some of the positive things.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2009/02/barack-obamas-class.html#more

Steven Waldman is a great example of someone that can look at the positive and negatives for different issues. Most importantly, he acknowledges when he is wrong or should have phrased something differently. Sometimes Steven changes his mind after exploring an issue in more depth.

The amount of things to learn about in this world is overwhelming; however, it can be fun and extremely interesting to learn and grow. Life is not black and white. Liberals and conservatives have a very wide range of thoughts and beliefs. People can have a mixture of liberal and conservative beliefs. Neither have a lock on what is right or wrong.

How about an article that is challenging and 100% positive, such as a sincere blog about something positive about Pres. Obama. Another positive would be ignoring or only responding positively to people that disagree.

Learn from what Robert said - there are far more important things in life besides us vs. them.

MzEllen
February 3, 2009 6:55 AM

Ack...Robert, late last night (before Julie made her little snide remarks) I said that you are in my prayers as well.

Julie, there is no need to make mean-spirited comments yourself. There is no reason for Christians to remove themselves from the political scene and every reason for Christians to get into the political scene in order to have the best possible leader for our people and to protect the most innocent of our citizens (the unborn). The fact that you use Robert's illness to slam conservatives says volumes.

Robert, I am sorry. My husband dealt with an underlying condition that led to the cancer that killed him. I am also sorry that I couldn't read the captcha last night and my comment was rejected (I'm beginning to dislike this particular blog platform).

MzEllen
February 3, 2009 7:07 AM

How about an article that is challenging and 100% positive, such as a sincere blog about something positive about Pres. Obama.

Julie, how about if we cut President Obama as much slack as the liberals cut President Bush? Sound fair?

I think it would be a very good thing for our new president to experience the rough and tumble world of politics in all of its glory. I don't think poorly of him enough to believe that he needs to be handled with kid gloves.

I believe that both sides of the political world have the responsibility to keep a watchful eye on Washington DC.

You may want to continue to slam us for raising concerns. Keep in mind this country was based on political freedom. I do not recall Michelle ever asking any liberal here to make any comment with only positive things to say about McCain or Palin - no, our host allowed some of the most hateful things I've seen written to be posted here on her personal blog and continues to allow hateful things to be posted about her personally on her personal blog. The fact that you don't urge liberals to be (at the very least) polite to the host---what does that say?

How about an article that is challenging and 100% positive, such as a sincere blog about something positive about Pres. Obama.

He has a nice body. I'm single...I can notice.

Boris
February 3, 2009 10:00 AM

I still want Michelle to explain why she went running to the “evolutionists” who used their knowledge of evolution by natural selection to diagnose and cure her. Again, Michelle got sick BECAUSE her religion stymied medical progress for over 1500 years. If the scientists hadn’t finally shoved the Christian holy men out of the way and started dissecting carcasses, and doing other science that had been forbidden by the church there would be no cures for cancer and Michelle would be on a slab with a tag on her toe. Michelle is an ungrateful, hypocritical spoiled brat. I don’t want her to suffer but she’s getting exactly what every Christian fundamentalist deserves. Now answer up Michelle so I can mock and ridicule your response and prove my point.

Robert
February 3, 2009 10:19 AM

MzEllen, I know this comment isn't timely, but I am sorry to hear about your husband, even now, and thank you for your prayers. Julie, thanks. Boris, if President Obama is reading this blog and all its comment boxes faithfully each day, somehow I think he can handle the pressure.

Gene
February 3, 2009 1:49 PM

I'm glad to see the comments continue to high-brow here.

Julie
February 3, 2009 2:12 PM

Ellen,

Could you exlain what exactly was mean-spirited and snide about my comments?

Thanks

anonymous reincarnate
February 3, 2009 2:44 PM

robert, i'm truly saddened to hear of your condition. unfortunately, you sound as if you no longer care what happens to those of us that you will eventually leave behind (and let's hope that that time is a long way off still).

i for one will continue to fight the insensitivity and bigotry of fundamentalists and their political control within the republican party until my last day.

anonymous reincarnate
February 3, 2009 2:52 PM

"...how about if we cut President Obama as much slack as the liberals cut President Bush? Sound fair?"

ellen, you might remember that while not crazy about bush, even liberals cut bush plenty of slack and support. what did he do other than squander it? he took advantage of that support to invade iraq based on misinformation and lies. he turned our spies on us. he used fear as an excuse to torture and kill people. he misused his power of the office for political gain. he tanked the economy by giving huge tax cuts to the super rich at the expense of the middle class. he let katrina drown while he was playing war.

sorry to inform you that he did plenty wrong in order for this and many other liberals to take away the slack we'd given him (which he never earned in the first place).

jestrfyl
February 3, 2009 3:01 PM

Some of us loud and proud liberals and left leaning loudmouths have enough sense to know when a person's pain is greater than any intellectual / political / philosophical / religious / economic / theological or other trivial interest.

Get well, but don't expect any punches to be pulled! And we will expect the same.

MzEllen
February 3, 2009 7:09 PM

Julie, your words, "I also pray that other, especially Michele and Ellen, listen to your profound words "who cares."

Especially!?!?

As if you have ANY clue that we do not.

Frankly, if I were Michele, I'd be deleting many comments. You want her to ignore instead of reacting? Why should she not just start deleting - other than to illustrate just who is who.

Julie
February 4, 2009 1:29 AM

The especially was because of being Christ's representatives to the world. As I said before God holds Christians to a higher standard.

MzEllen
February 4, 2009 6:40 AM

Julie, did you know (or care) that Michele has cancer? Are you aware (do you care - it surely doesn't show) of my own personal history.

If there are two people that are very aware of what the "who cares" means, it is Michele and I. The fact that you use Robert's illness as an opportunity to scold us for our political disagreements - especially given our own pasts - says volumes.

Your insensitivity to those who disagree with our politically - volumes

Boris
February 4, 2009 10:05 AM

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned"

Ah, that sublime combination of Christian idiocy, no science education, no knowledge of the Bible and insanity. The Bible claims man was given dominion over all life on earth. The truth is that bacteria and parasites had dominion over humans until scientists finally shoved the Christian holy men out of the way and learned how to deal with these things. Science tells us where diseases come from and why we die. Leave it to religion to make up fairy tale reasons for these things and idiots to believe these stupid retarded fairy tales in the face of modern science.

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