In which he says his critics are “bearing false witness” against his plan (I’m more than happy to let Jesus judge that one on judgment day). It’s interesting how he condemns his opponents as breaking the Ten Commandments by stating what is in the House bill:You can read more about the orgs behind the conference call here.And here’s the reaction of the religious right to the conference call. Here’s an example:
I am shocked and disappointed that Melody Barnes failed to answer a question on tonight’s call on whether the President’s healthcare reform would increase funding for abortion. The White House needs to be truthful in the fact that the Capps Amendment as based by the House Energy and Commerce Committee will force abortion to be covered in any public insurance option. Dishonest spin is not what people of faith want to hear.
BTW, the left is just as obnoxious as the right in condemning those who disagree with them. You’d think that all these years of complaining about the religious right being in bed with politicians they’d learn a lesson.
posted August 20, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Michele, thanks for continuing to point out Obama’s and the lefty evanjellicals’ hypocrisy. This administration is setting new records in disinformation, lies and deceit.
posted August 20, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Did you listen to this?
Not many of these are evangelicals/evanjellicals.
I encountered very recently (elsewhere) this idea (or ideal) called “Puritan optimism.” How familiar are you with it?
posted August 20, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Michele is totally wrong about CAPPS and she falsely accused Obama of breaking one of the Ten Commandments. The abortion funding has been debunked by independent sources. PolitiFact found the claim false on July 23, 2009. None of the different health care bills include taxpayer money going to pay for abortions.
Your religious right links are baring false witness because the CAPPS amendment clearly prohibits taxpayer funding from paying for abortions. The CAPPS amendment was not needed, but was included because of all the false rumors about the health care bill using taxpayer money to fund abortions.
Boehner says Democrats’ health care plan would subsidize abortions http://tinyurl.com/owkdqa
Latest myth on health reform
“Just as opponents twisted voluntary end-of-life discussions into government mandates for euthanasia, so too are abortion services the subject of confusion and disinformation. Douglas Johnson of the National Right to Life Committee has called support for health reform “a vote for tax-subsidized abortion on demand.’’ House Republican leader John Boehner has written that the proposals “will require Americans to subsidize abortion with their hard-earned tax dollars.’’
Well, no.
The bills filed in various congressional committees are officially neutral on the question, neither requiring nor forbidding private insurance plans to offer abortion services. Isn’t that what the noisy critics of a “government takeover’’ of health care supposedly want: A free-market system that lets the consumer decide?
To quell the rising hysteria, the House Energy and Commerce Committee adopted an amendment that explicitly prohibits abortion services from being included in the “minimum benefits package’’ that all participating insurance plans would be required to offer.
The amendment, sponsored by Lois Capps, a California Democrat, also preserves conscience clauses that protect doctors or other health care providers who refuse to perform abortions or refer patients to other providers who will.
Finding common ground on abortion is as elusive as ever, but the House bill makes a good stab at it with a provision that every region in the country must offer insurance plans that cover abortion and plans that don’t. That way, there is a choice for consumers who feel strongly about the issue.
And no one’s federal tax dollars will go to pay for abortions.
Since 1977, the Hyde Amendment has prohibited federal funding for abortion under Medicaid, except in cases of rape, incest, or to protect the life of the mother. (Other federally funded health care plans, covering members of the military, the Peace Corps, or government workers, also deny most abortion coverage.)
Nothing in any of the health care reform proposals will undo the Hyde provisions.
Another misconception:
That the “public plan’’ option would involve taxpayer dollars. The public plan would be managed by the government but not funded by it; individuals would pay premiums just as with private insurance.
Still, the Capps amendment makes clear that not a dime of the proposed “affordability credits’’ to help families buy insurance could go to pay for abortions. The plans would separate out the amount of the premium that covers abortion services and get the individual beneficiary to pay for it privately.
http://tinyurl.com/ngm2yj
posted August 21, 2009 at 11:08 am
“Michele is totally wrong about CAPPS and she falsely accused Obama of breaking one of the Ten Commandments. ”
Um…I didn’t accuse Obama of breaking the Ten Commandments, he accused his critics of breaking the Ten Commandments.
posted August 21, 2009 at 11:19 am
“Did you listen to this?” No, I have a life (I went to the library to work on the Bible study because evidently, I can’t read in my house, too much Internet here). I posted it so you guys could listen to it if you hadn’t heard it yet.
“Puritan optimism.”
Looks like Postmillennialism according to this post (“Murray demonstrates that the fruit of the Puritan optimism that the nations of the world would bow before Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord was world mission.”)
posted August 21, 2009 at 11:49 am
“the left is just as obnoxious as the right in condemning those who disagree with them.”
yes, either the left are great learners or the right are great teachers. does this mean that we can condemn you as unamerican and unpatriotic and immoral and heathenist?
“You’d think that all these years of complaining about the religious right being in bed with politicians they’d learn a lesson.”
consider it a counterweight to to restore balance. i’m sure that the religious left got quite sick of the big-mouthed religious right usurping god and jesus for their political causes (war, fear, discrimination, proselytism, theocrasy).
posted August 21, 2009 at 12:04 pm
“Um…I didn’t accuse Obama of breaking the Ten Commandments, he accused his critics of breaking the Ten Commandments.”
Obama was correct that several Republicans lied – Sen Grassley, Rep. Boehner, etc
“”Did you listen to this?” No, I have a life”
It is apparent that you do not read/listen to many things to ensure the accuracy of what is in your blogs or you do not care if it is accurate. Cutting and pasting false information is irresponsible and gives zero credibility to anything you write – not to mention credibility as a Christian by spreading gossip/lies rather than the truth.
posted August 21, 2009 at 10:26 pm
“Puritan optimism.” – Looks like Postmillennialism according to this post
And Puritans passed it on … westward, mostly … to the ironic extent that they themselves passed on it.
Reclaim your heritage.