So now that Factcheck.org said it, will you believe it?
The House leadership's bill (H.R. 3200) actually made no mention of abortion when it was introduced. Johnson refers to an amendment to the bill adopted by the House Energy and Commerce Committee July 30. Abortion rights proponents characterize it as a compromise, but it hasn't satisfied the anti-abortion side. Offered by Democratic Rep. Lois Capps of California, the amendment was approved narrowly by the committee, 30 - 28, with most but not all Democrats voting in favor and no Republicans backing it. The Capps amendment states that some abortions "shall" be covered by the "public option" plan, specifically those types of abortions that Congress allows to be covered under Medicaid, under the so-called "Hyde Amendment," which has been attached regularly to appropriations bills for many years. These are abortions performed in cases or rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother.So will the Secretary do so? Of course she will. Obama promised this to his pro-abortion supporters:As for other types of abortions, the Capps amendment leaves it to the secretary of Health and Human Services to decide whether or not they will be covered. It says, "Nothing in this Act shall be construed as preventing the public health insurance option from providing" abortion services that would not be legal for Medicaid coverage. Says the NRLC's Johnson: "The Capps Amendment MANDATES that the public plan cover any Medicaid-fundable abortions, and AUTHORIZES the secretary to cover all other abortions. ... [F]rom day one, she [Secretary Kathleen Sebelius] is authorized to pay for them all. And, she will."
Obama, July 17, 2007: We're going to set up a public plan that all persons and all women can access if they don't have health insurance. It will be a plan that will provide all essential services, including reproductive services, as well as mental health services and disease management services, because part of our interest is to make sure that we're putting more money into preventive care.The plan also would subsidize premiums to private healthcare insurance that covers abortions.
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just like outlawing alcohol during prohibition resulted in fewer people reporting that they drank the stuff. clearly the same is true today with the outstanding results that we see from reagan's ongoing war on drugs... no pot being smoked in these states that anyone brags about!
the real question isn't "does restricting access to legal abortions reduce the number of abortions?" but rather, "does it reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies?"
board up all of the clinics that provide a safe environment for the medical procedure and see how few women are willing to yank the unwanted fetus out with metal hanger. i'm pretty sure there will be fewer abortions, but more women dying because of it.
or here's another approach: if you don't approve of abortions, don't have one... you have a choice.
Yeah, those pesky facts sure do get in the way. So just conjure up some lame analogy to try and explain the facts away.
"Yeah, those pesky facts sure do get in the way. So just conjure up some lame analogy to try and explain the facts away."
i'm not disputing the study, nor am i "conjuring." i'm just pointing out that making them illegal will not stop them. we know this from empirical evidence.
but you're a funny one to start paying attention to facts when they happen to support your agenda, especially in this thread where you continue to ignore facts and push right-wing lies.
More facts, this time from the libs...Jim Wallis, that liberal evanjellical. He is an advisor to Prez O and he admits abortion services are covered in the present bills in Congress. Hmmm. He says people are working on that to get it out.
http://www.frc.org/frcinthenews/25aug2009/tony-perkins-on-lou-dobbs-tonight
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