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President Barack Obama's Back to School Event

Monday September 7, 2009

Categories: Education, Politics
Oh my heck! This is the speech that the right had a cow over? I can't see anything in it that they could object to, in fact, it's the same things they've been saying for years: the importance of personal...
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Moonshadow
September 8, 2009 1:33 AM

I saw that bit at the end, invoking God's blessing upon the students and the country. If that's what Obama believes, let him invoke it.

Now, my problem is with my younger boy who will hear this tomorrow: just the suggestion to him that dropping out of school is possible, an option he could take, uh, please, I don't want anyone putting the thought into his head!

anonymous reincarnate
September 8, 2009 1:51 AM

sure, the right had no idea what to expect. so true to form they expected the worst. righties in colorado are beside themselves with obama rage right now. i remember when ronnie raygun spoke to schoolchildren, too. only he was openly political. consider yourselves spared.

Charles Cosimano
September 8, 2009 2:06 AM

The question now is how many kids will stay awake through the whole thing.

Les Prouty
September 8, 2009 9:56 AM
http://reformationfaithtoday.com/

I sure hope the House leaders don't follow the pattern set by the Dems when Bush I sopke to the children:

"Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue."

""The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

"Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event.""

Poor BHO. He just gets criticized for everything. It's not fair!

Please Dem leaders, don't hold hearings about this speech. Please.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

Julie
September 8, 2009 10:34 AM

I disagree that all of the right had no idea what to expect. The media and pundits knew what to expect because as Obama said:

"Now I've given a lot of speeches about education. And I've talked a lot about responsibility."

I heard one of the major attackers of Obama's speech spin it to take credit for Obama changing his speech. Republicans/conservatives that are able to separate their political disagreements from the reality of Obama as a person/politician know that he is far too intelligent to attempt using children for political purposes.

Throughout the campaign Obama ended most of his speeches/Town Hall meetings with "God bless the United States of America."

kelly
September 8, 2009 10:58 AM

Sorry Les Prouty, but the vitrol that has been spewn about Pres. Obama's speech (comparing him to Hitler) is no where near what Dems had to say about Papa Bush.

The reason that speech was criticized was because it came right before the election and was considered campaign speech. There are different rules (laws) for campaign speeches.

"Let me know how you're doing. Write me a letter -- and I'm serious about this one -- write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals. I think you know the address." -- G.H.W. Bush in his 1991 speech broadcast to school children.

Les Prouty
September 8, 2009 11:37 AM
http://reformationfaithtoday.com/

Sorry Kelly, but your logic escapes me (or rather your lack of logic).

So that is how this game is played? Who has said the most hateful things? It has happened on both sides of the political aisle. For every nasty thing you can trot out that some R said about BHO, I can find just as many Ds and other libs spewing as well.

Check it...back in 1991 the proximity to the election was not an issue re campaign laws. The Dems held a hearing not about that, but the use of education funds.

Last, if you are implying that his urging of letters to "help us achieve our goals" is a sinister way of asking the kiddies to help him further his political agenda (and you may not be implying that) then you need to re-read the speech. It was referring to education goals.

pagansister
September 8, 2009 2:02 PM

If I still had children in school (mine are grown and on their own) I'd have been fine with them listening to it. In fact, I was fine with him doing it before it was given. The folks who were railing against it actually were (excuse me, but the only word I can find) "stupid" enough to think he was going to give a political speech asking the kids to support health care reform??? Maybe even "W" wouldn't have done that if he was still in office (fortunately he's not).

RJohnson
September 8, 2009 2:26 PM

Thank you, Les Prouty, for demonstrating once again that conservatism is truly no better than that which it criticizes. Truly you have become that which you hate, Les.

Les Prouty
September 8, 2009 3:09 PM
http://reformationfaithtoday.com/

RJohnson,

You are quite welcome. Glad to accommodate your IB.

kazoolist
September 8, 2009 7:16 PM
http://kazoolist.blogspot.com

Michelle,

I'm a long time reader and infrequent commenter. You and I tend to agree, but I think you really missed the boat on this.

The early objections had NOTHING to do with the text of the speech. The text of the speech weren't even available for 6 days after the speech was announced.

The early objections centered around the study guide, which was released with the announcement.

The study guide called for students to:

“Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the President. These would get collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.”

There's an open question about "help the President" do what? But given that the chief things political figures, like the President, need "help" with is pushing through their agenda, it's really not unreasonable to think that the study guide is asking students to think about help they can help the President with his political agenda.

And no president, on either side of the aisle, should be speaking straight to kids - without the filter of parents - about helping them with their political agenda. That's reasonable - and right - to object to.

Yeah, the actual speech turned out to be pretty innocuous - but it's curious that Obama took 6 days from the time it was announced to release the text. It very well could have been changed in that time to de-politicize it. And if that's what happened, I think those that loudly were objecting to the speech to begin with deserve a thank you, not a judgmental "oh my heck."

MH
September 8, 2009 9:02 PM

You're forgetting about the subliminal socialist mind control audio track that's only audible when you play his speech backwards. That's why the far right had a cow.

I'm fine with his invoking God in his speech.

Moonshadow
September 8, 2009 10:29 PM

My older son told me that the speech froze and skipped throughout. I don't know what the school's feed was. But my younger son told me he clapped whenever the speech froze.

Let's hope some kids got something out of this. I'm guessing mine didn't.

Grumpy Old Person
September 8, 2009 11:09 PM

Les Prouty,

"I sure hope the House leaders don't follow the pattern set by the Dems when Bush I sopke to the children"

You mean the speech wherein Bush 1 actually asked students to write him letters suggesting ways they could help? Bush did it but poor Mr. Obama got excoriated for even thinking of doing it - and so he withdrew that teaching aid, whereas Bush 1 didn't. I think you're focusing on the wrong "pattern".

Les Prouty
September 8, 2009 11:56 PM
http://reformationfaithtoday.com/

Grumpy Old Person,

I think if you go read Bush I speech to the kids, it is very clear that his reference to helping achieve the goals related to educational goals, not any other political goals.

As for Barry O, no one knew what goals the kids were to be helping with since the text of his speech either hadn't been written or if it had, had not been released (as kazoolist notes above). Parents were right to be suspicious in the absence of any details, especially given the radical tendencies Barry has already demonstrated.

Thank God I'm north of the 49th
September 9, 2009 12:19 AM

This is ridiculous. Those of you who are trying to trip this man up for the sake of tripping him up are squandering your opportunity to restore sanity in your country. Those of you who are genuinely fearful need help.

Paranoia will destroy ya.

anonymous reincarnate
September 9, 2009 12:37 AM

why was there no requirement by conservatives for bushie sr. to pre-release the text of his speech? why didn't republicans whine when ron raygun peppered his speech to students with his political agenda. why do conservatives believe that there was anything more nefarious in obama asking kids to give ideas on how to fix today's problems (without leading them toward any political path) than bushie sr.'s plea?

speculate all you want about what obama's speech might have been while you drink your kool aid with your kooky group of conspiracy theorists. it's republicans who politicized the event.

hahaha! you people are laughable. the radical tendencies are the demonstrated knee jerking of the more and more radicalized right wing who are scared into a frothing frenzy over a "stay in school" speech by your arch enemy.

Les Prouty
September 9, 2009 12:59 AM
http://reformationfaithtoday.com/

Hey anony man, pouty here. Sitting here enjoying a nice glass of kool aid. Real good. It's especially refreshing to me as I watch you liberals coming apart at the seams. We're just going along forcing Barry to re-write his speech, knocking out a czar, killing off the public option. And what are the libs doing? Railing at us conservatives for messing up Barry's party. We're not letting him get his way.

Well pay attention: Dems have the power! Republicans alone cannot stop anything! You boys and girls on the liberal side need to get your folks back on the farm.

Thank God I'm north of the 49th
September 9, 2009 1:16 AM

Hopefully the White House recognizes that it handled this badly - that it shouldn't have considered this very small irrational group. It's too bad crazy *&$# attracts viewers. I laugh my &%% off every time I see a good old boy say "socialism", like he has a clue what it means. These yahoos are just lucky that their ignorance is so entertaining. Otherwise, they wouldn't be seen nor heard.

anonymous reincarnate
September 9, 2009 1:33 AM

"We're just going along forcing Barry to re-write his speech, knocking out a czar, killing off the public option."

hahahahahahahaha!!! woohoo, that IS some good stuff you're drinking! you feel so empowered in your make-believe land! :D

i understand why you believe obama is indoctrinating kids by telling them to get an education. the more drop-outs there are, the stronger your right-wing becomes. the masses of incompetent and ill-informed are easily influenced by rush talk radio propaganda and the like.

interestingly, laura bush disagrees with the rest of the intellectually challenged republican party.

"Former first lady Laura Bush praised the performance of her husband's successor Monday, breaking with many Republicans in telling CNN that she thinks President Obama is doing a good job under tough circumstances.

"'I think he is [doing a good job],' Bush said when asked to assess Obama's job performance. 'I think he has got a lot on his plate, and he has tackled a lot to start with, and that has probably made it more difficult.'

"'I think there is a place for the president ... to talk to schoolchildren and encourage' them, she said.

"Bush indicated that she didn't think it was fair for Obama to be labeled a 'socialist' by critics and expressed her disappointment with the intensely polarized nature of contemporary American politics."

anonymous reincarnate
September 9, 2009 1:44 AM

north of the 49th, i hope so, too. they let a big-mouthed minority dominate the news. if the fringe right is good at anything, it's making a scene. i think that the white house ignored it for too long while the righties spread ignorant lies about both the school speech and health care reform.

i got a huge laugh from a small group of protesters in a nearby colorado mountain town. it was a group of baby boomers holding signs denouncing "socialized medicine". i'm pretty sure that without medicare, half of them wouldn't be able to hold their cardboard signs up. morons. :D i'd be willing to bet that they bought their cardboard sign materials with their social security checks, to boot!

Your Name
September 9, 2009 2:43 AM

...and don't forget that it was FOX News who intentionally and so egregiously put the WRONG spin on this speech BEFORE it was delivered by labeling it "The Indoctrination Speech." Oh REALLY?! Fox News couldn't have been further from the truth, and it isn't the first time they've been so completely wrong ...I CAN testify to THAT FACT. What a shame that so many children have just been given a model, which they in all probability will follow, on how to believe anything they read/see/hear without taking the time to find out what the truth actually is...how to withdraw & disengage from any anyone who might happen to have a different opinion or point of view... how to disrespect the authority figure in leadership. Parents who caused their children to miss an entire school day to avoid a speech that lasted only minutes should have been willing to miss a day of work to be WITH their children in the classroom.

Les Prouty
September 9, 2009 7:25 AM

anony,

"i understand why you believe obama is indoctrinating kids by telling them to get an education. the more drop-outs there are, the stronger your right-wing becomes. the masses of incompetent and ill-informed are easily influenced by rush talk radio propaganda and the like."

Actually if you look back thru my comments you'll see that I really did not say that I thought that at all. In fact I really didn't think there was anything that sinister involved. I just think that Barry's administration handled it badly and opened themselves up to criticism.

Look, education is best administered at the local level and Barry surely gave the impression of big gov't overreaching on this one. He surely went beyond and bypassed local authorities. Heck he even missed large chunks of kids because they were not even back in school. An amateur oversight.

And last, I have three teens in high school and I did not keep them home.

anonymous reincarnate
September 9, 2009 4:45 PM

"Barry surely gave the impression of big gov't overreaching on this one."

how so, pouty? what evidence led you to such an impression?

"I just think that Barry's administration handled it badly and opened themselves up to criticism."

what.. now obama has to pre-release any speeches for approval by the right wing fringe? i'm sorry, but that's just plain stupid. knee-jerk republicans are going to continue to fan the flames of fear no matter what obama does or says.

"And last, I have three teens in high school and I did not keep them home."

well, yea for you. want a ribbon? i have 2 kids in public school and neither got to see the speech in a school environment because a few big-mouth complainers (in other words fringe conservatives and obama haters) whined about it, despite having the ability to keep their kids in a study session or keep them home during the airing of the speech. because of a loud few from your party, the entire school suffered.

Koblog
September 9, 2009 11:09 PM

Obama would not deliver this speech to any other audience than kids. Rush Limbaugh nailed it: Obama doesn't believe any of this. His approval numbers are low and he knows it's safe to tell these little stories to the kiddies.

Obama's basically telling quaint myths to his hearers. He wouldn't deliver this speech to America. He wouldn't deliver this speech to another country.

His agenda is "The government will do everything for you." This is diametrically opposed to the substance of this speech.

He doesn't believe in personal responsibility. He doesn't believe in any of this.

He's lying to the children.

anonymous reincarnate
September 10, 2009 2:00 AM

*yawn*

blah blah blah, koblog. and i'm sure that in your little limbaugh-filled dittohead, you really believe that.

but please, i beg you fringie conservatives to keep championing the rush's of your party. it helps the democrats more than you know.

by the way, obama did deliver his speech to [the united states of] america, clearly you missed it.

Your Name
September 10, 2009 3:17 PM

Koblog,

You're being lied to allright; just not by whom you think.

This entrenchment in old ideals and inability to judge public character, so common to some of the American population, is staggering to the rest of the world. Fascinating (obviously), but staggering.

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