This is the health care system you lefties want us to emulate:
In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being wrongly judged as close to death.
Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.
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“Forecasting death is an inexact science,”they say. Patients are being diagnosed as being close to death “without regard to the fact that the diagnosis could be wrong.
“As a result a national wave of discontent is building up, as family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food to patients.”
The warning comes just a week after a report by the Patients Association estimated that up to one million patients had received poor or cruel care on the NHS.
Why do you think we keep talking about rationed care? They’re killing patients prematurely (you really can’t call it anything else), no doubt, to save money. And that’s not the only way they’re trying to save money, they’re cutting staff as well:
The NHS may need to cut its workforce by about 10 per cent — the equivalent of 137,000 staff — to help to meet planned savings of £20 billion, according to a leaked Department of Health report.
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Andrew Lansley, the Shadow Health Secretary, said: “Yet again Labour ministers are failing to be straight with the British people.
“Andy Burnham [the Health Secretary] promised to protect the NHS, but now we find out that his department has been drawing up secret plans for swingeing cuts.
“Clearly, we need to get better value for money from the NHS, so we applaud any drive for greater efficiency, but it is extraordinary that Labour plan to take an axe to the hospital budget rather than to the bloated health bureaucracy.
“Only a fifth of job cuts would be within the bureaucracy, meaning the vast majority to go would be frontline NHS staff.
You know the same exact thing will happen here: runaway bureaucracy while doctors and nurses are cut. No wonder people are upset, and have rejected ObamaCare, they don’t want this to happen here. Too bad the Dems could care less about listening to their concerns.



posted September 3, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Nonsense. You can’t seriously presume that an American public option or even single-payer system would have the exact same issues and problems as the British system is experiencing. For one thing, the simple fact that so much opposition already exists toward it would mitigate anything like this in America’s case.
And if you are so concerned abour rationing, how about focusing on the fact that this is already happening right here and now with the for-profit insurance companies, who routinely ration care to lower the pooled risk, denial of coverage for those with pre-existing conditions being a prime example.
posted September 3, 2009 at 4:46 pm
So the fact that the UK ranks 22 in infant mortality rates, Cuba 28 and the USA 33 doesn’t matter. We lose more of our babies that Cuba.
And when it come to life expectancy France is #9, the UK #36 and well behind at #50 is the USA.
As for being sentenced to an early death, you might want to talk to Nataline Sarkisyan’s family and ask them how much they love their big name health insurer.
My mother who has been diabetic for 40 years and on insulin was told (while preparing for a mastectomy) 6 months ago that she didn’t need insulin by her big name health insurer. Where doe she get coverage? From Medicare which unless I am sorely mistaken is government run system.
Last time I checked, NHS was not driving British citizens into bankruptcy.
posted September 3, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Six lobbyists per lawmaker enough on health care?
Posted: 04:00 PM ET
FROM CNN’s Jack Cafferty:
Want to know why they’re having trouble getting health care reform passed in Washington? Consider this: There are six…. count ‘em — six, lobbyists for each of the 535 members of Congress.
This translates to 3,300 lobbyists working on health care — or three times the number who lobby on defense. These groups reportedly spent more than $263 million on lobbying during the first six months of this year — with drug makers alone spending more than $134 million.
posted September 3, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I am with Karen Whitaker the whatever-she-is on this one. Why is it Christians are so sure of heaven and so afraid of death?
posted September 3, 2009 at 8:40 pm
I agree with Robert R., “Why is it Christians are so sure of heaven and so afraid of death?”
Facts do not sway Michele.
Republican hypocrites on government-run health care – their worries about bureaucratic nightmares, low quality care, and long lines seem to be wiped away when it comes to using government-run health care:
Associated Press…
“Republicans in Congress have raised the specter of a bloated, “socialized,” bureaucrat-run nightmare of a health care system as a means of undermining the White House’s effort at a systematic overhaul. And yet, as Democratic sources are now pointing out, when medical crisis hit close to home, many of these same officials turned to a government-run hospital for their own intensive care and difficult surgeries.
Take, for instance, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who warned that “a government takeover of health care” would “take away the care that people already have [and] are perfectly satisfied with.” In its place, the senator said, would be “a system in which care and treatment will be either delayed or denied.”
That was July 2009. In February 2003, McConnell actually went to one of those government-run institutions (where treatment is, apparently, “either delayed or denied”) for a procedure of his own. The Kentucky Republican traveled to the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, to have an elective coronary artery bypass surgery after it had been revealed that he had arterial blockages.
Also known as Bethesda Naval Hospital, the National Naval Medical Center is the premier branch of the United States Navy’s system of medical centers — as in, the government runs it. It’s also the place where elected officials of all ideological stripes and political branches often go get surgery performed. Indeed, members of Congress pay an annual fee for the privilege of getting treatment at Bethesda Naval Hospital or, for that matter, Walter Reed Army Medical Center. It is, as longtime Democrat Martin Frost wrote for Politico, “like belonging to an HMO.” Only, in these cases, the surgery is conducted at a public facility.
None of this has stopped some of the same officials who have taken advantage of this congressional perk from railing against the intrusiveness and inefficiencies of a health care system with greater government involvement.
Senator John McCain,(R-Ariz.) for instance, recently applauded the town hall protesters who were, in his words, revolting “against a government-run health system.” That was August 2009. In May of 2000, McCain had surgery at the Bethesda Naval Hospital to remove a potentially lethal melanoma from his left temple.
Senator Kit Bond (R-Mo.), meanwhile, has warned of the rationing of care, expensive costs, and reduced quality that would come under a government-run health care plan. In April 2003, however, he traveled to Bethesda Naval Hospital to undergo hip replacement surgery in an attempt to alleviate degenerative arthritis in his left hip.
Senator George Voinovich,(R-Ohio), has declared that a “bureaucratic Washington-run government plan is not the answer” to the nation’s health care needs. In June 2003, the Ohio Republican (who is retiring from the Senate in 2010) went to Bethesda Naval Hospital to have a pacemaker installed.
The best example of this double standard, however, may be Rep. Roy Blunt,(R-Mo.) who compared government-run health care to an elephant, stomping on and killing off the mice of the private insurance industry.
Blunt has had two procedures done at Bethesda Naval Hospital. The first came in July 2002, when he underwent surgery to remove his left kidney. The second came a year later, when he underwent prostate surgery after being diagnosed with early-stage prostate cancer.”
posted September 3, 2009 at 10:21 pm
“The liberals are coming to take grandma!” is the simply what the death rattle of a political party sounds like.
Buh-bye.
posted September 6, 2009 at 2:06 am
actually, the healthcare system that this lefty wants is one where every republican is denied all health claims. they can pay for it out of their own pockets.
posted September 7, 2009 at 2:15 am
i really like this post.
posted September 16, 2009 at 4:02 pm
“you lefties”???
Ms. McGinty… Reformed christians on a public site should not talk this….