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Colbert on Scalia equating the cross with death

posted by Susan Johnson | 1:09pm Sunday October 18, 2009

For those of you who missed it (like me). Have to agree with Colbert that you empty the cross of meaning equating it with death. The cross is not a symbol of death but of sacrifice, hope and redemption. I certainly do not want the court to rule that the cross is a symbol of death and not of redemption. I’m siding with the ACLU lawyer on this one.

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Robert R.

posted October 18, 2009 at 2:11 pm


But of course, Michelle, any reasonable person would have to agree with you. Jesus didn’t actually die on the cross, he just had an incredibly inconvenient Friday afternoon on which he sacrificed his tee time for the golf course that had that Friday sundown closing.



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MH

posted October 18, 2009 at 5:26 pm


Colbert is a riot.
The ironic thing about the cross lawsuit is that Frank Buono is a practicing Catholic. So this lawsuit isn’t an atheist thing, although I suspect a lot of them agree with the lawsuit.



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Moonshadow

posted October 18, 2009 at 7:57 pm


Prof. Kaveny at ND is rather smitten with Colbert; she posts his videos routinely at Commonweal.
http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/?p=4917
I think this is just Colbert making an occasion to showcase his faith and Scalia’s arguments might not be as absurd as Colbert makes them out.
I’m not for scouring the American countryside of any remnant of religious expression. That’s too like a witch hunt.
Maybe for Buono, if a cross lacks a corpus, it’s nothing.



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Brian37

posted October 19, 2009 at 9:51 am


What sacrifice? The people who fought on D-DAY against the fascist Germans, who were not resurrected, and wont come back from the dead, made a real sacrifice. The Jesus myth depicts a magical parlor trick in which he gets to hang out with daddy/himself for eternity. A real sacrifice would have been if Jesus never came back or went to heaven.
The cross, in reality was used long before the Jesus myth as a torture device. To downplay the violence of such a story is astounding. It’s message is that seeking out conflict in order to set yourself up to be murdered is a virtue. It teaches that playing the victim will work. It is the most insidious form of passive aggressive behavior falsely masked as virtue. Not to mention the scientific absurdity of claiming that dead flesh can magically survive rigor mortis after 3 days.



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Brian37

posted October 19, 2009 at 10:31 am


I can agree with the National Cemetery memorials because they are inclusive. NOT to the extent they should be though. I think if a soldier is buried there whatever the family wants as a memorial stone should be displayed, including those of non-Abrahamic religions. Since there is no ban on non-Christians in the military, in death, the family should be able to decide what is displayed. THIS memorial however, is government favoritism of Christianity and for anyone to say otherwise is an outright lie. It is merely a back of the bus attitude where non-Christians are treated like mere guests, even if they have served for their country.



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Karen Whitaker

posted October 19, 2009 at 11:31 am


Indeed, if God predestines non-Christians to hell, why should the US government bother to recognize them? Isn’t their only real purpose for being to serve the holy purposes of God’s elect, which are holy by virtue of the fact they are the desires of God’s favorites, the Christians? Well, some Christians?



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Alicia

posted October 19, 2009 at 3:08 pm


Good post, Michele. I agree that I could never equate the Cross with death. To me, the Life, Passion, and Resurrection of Jesus are inseparable, and to elevate one above the others misses the point. Personally, I find the Resurrection especially inspiring as I have personally experienced great loss and rebirth, as have many other people.
To me, “He who loses his life for my sake will find it” suggests the redemptive power of the Christian message, which has to do with the possibility that our sufferings may lead to rebirth and to new life.



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Gracie

posted October 20, 2009 at 6:47 am


Is it because I am trying to get over a rotten migraine or has the world taken leave of it’s senses???
Doesn’t Colbert say, “Thanks, Jews!” Maybe I’ve taken too many drugs today but that doesn’t seem as if anyone is getting this. He’s thanking them for killing Christ?
And your commenter (tormentor) who is obviously a non-believer, why leave those vicious comments up? It makes me sick at heart to read things like this, although I realize it’s avant garde to come up with crap like this – aren’t we cute.
I’m at a point where I cannot take this anymore. Even as I type this I am crying because I’m just so very sick and tired. Please God…forgive us.



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Brian37

posted October 20, 2009 at 3:02 pm


If you think Colbert is a racist or bigot I would suggest you go look up SARCASM in the dictionary.
Luis Black was a Jew and still has Jewish family members and friends and still cuts on his own history. Does that mean he hates Jews?
Cobert was making fun of bigotry, GET A CLUE!



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Brian37

posted October 20, 2009 at 3:25 pm


QUOTE:”and to elevate one above the others misses the point.”
That is EXACTLY THE POINT. You do it, Muslims do it and all cheer leaders of myth do it. Their super heros they invent to save them are better than everyone else.
I have a better explanation. Humans have always invented stories and passed them off as fact.



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