At least it does in England. a href=”http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6869646.ece”>This is why this Christian doesn’t support the <government takeover of health care:
AN 80-year-old grandmother who doctors identified as terminally ill and left to starve to death has recovered after her outraged daughter intervened.
Hazel Fenton, from East Sussex, is alive nine months after medics ruled she had only days to live, withdrew her antibiotics and denied her artificial feeding. The former school matron had been placed on a controversial care plan intended to ease the last days of dying patients.
Doctors say Fenton is an example of patients who have been condemned to death on the Liverpool care pathway plan. They argue that while it is suitable for patients who do have only days to live, it is being used more widely in the NHS, denying treatment to elderly patients who are not dying.
posted October 11, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Ok, here they come hurling insults. You lefties keep ‘em coming. Apparently you embolden Michele to keep posting the truth, what with your incessant insults void of any substance. And that would be because you don’t have any substance to offer. So keep it up.
Thanks Michele for continuing to point out the truth.
posted October 11, 2009 at 12:40 pm
What truth? Where’s the dead granny? Seems to me it’s more of the same hyperbole we’ve come to know and love from McGinty.
posted October 11, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Your Name, Right on time.
posted October 11, 2009 at 12:56 pm
And this from The Telegraph. Maybe it helps clarify:
Hospital patients are dying because of restrictions on doctors’ hours, say surgeons
Doctors say hospital patients have died as a result of new restrictions on medics’ working hours brought in by the European Union.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6292697/Hospital-patients-are-dying-because-of-restrictions-on-doctors-hours-say-surgeons.html
posted October 11, 2009 at 1:54 pm
No insults here, but a couple of comments. According to the article, there was a lack of training in the proper procedures. Even if there weren’t, it sounds like the individuals who made the medical decisions did not make the proper ones. Bad decision making can’t be cured by any system. In either case, it does not prove that a single payer system caused a problem. We pay the most per capita for health care in this country without providing adequate care for many of our citizens. There is a Harvard study, which Michele and others have pooh-poohed, that says that 40+k of our citizens die because of issues related to a lack of health insurance. Statistics show that health care outcomes in this country are lower than in those with single payer systems. Apparently, if those “systems” are causing death, they are causing it at a lower rate than in the US. There is a disconnect here…we pay the most and our healthcare system is ranked lower than many other countries.
posted October 11, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Hi Michele,
I believe that you have found the exception that proves the rule. Good job!
I am a bit concerned about your motives here, are you trying to make light about the case of this elderly women? Poor taste for a joke.
Also, what does this have to do with the current American health care debate? You know that there are no plans to enact legislation that would do away with the Private Health care sector in America, right?
Why are you attempting to spread fear and misinformation?
posted October 11, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Michelle, could you address from a Christian perspective the approximately 22K people who die due to lack of health insurance each year and the 900k+ who are forced into bankruptcy due to medical bills? I appreciate looking out for the weak and elderly who might be run over in our attempt to manage health care. However, focusing on these exceptional cases while ignoring the all too common cases of death and destruction which result from our current system shouldn’t be an option either.
posted October 11, 2009 at 9:36 pm
anecdotal evidence. it doesn’t show a consistent pattern.
there’s a lot wrong with your posting. you jump to an extremist conclusion based on one case, you ignore other problems that led to this situation, and you assume (still) that overhauling the health insurance system is equal to a single-payer system. finally, you’re not being practical. even if 1000 grannies died every year because of a deficient single-payer system, it is still far better than our current “free market” system where we have tens of thousands dying each year because they don’t have any health care at all.
by the way, mr. ed, we’re constantly offering plenty of substance. many “lefties” here do it all the time. just because you don’t believe the facts that are presented doesn’t mean they lack substance.
and you righties have become so thin-skinned that you interpret any disagreement as an insult (which you’re all pretty good at hurling around, too, bub… like you just did).
posted October 12, 2009 at 7:16 am
NHK: “Why are you attempting to spread fear and misinformation?”
That’s the Reformed perspective in action; lie, misinform, spin, deny. Reformed Christianity in action in the world. At least, you’d think so, from Michelle’s writings.
You really think Michelle knew this was going to happen at least 10 months ago, and determined her passionate view that nothing should change in our health care disaster?
In addition, this case strongly shows the “value” of lower spending on a medical system. And yet, the US spends close to twice what England does on health care, and has demonstrably poorer results for that extra money. But health care executives do much, much better in the US than England, and politicians get much more campaign bribes from the health care executives in the US than in England. Never doubt the connection between those points in both countries. Nor should you doubt that those are among the most important reasons for the Republicans’ fierce opposition to health care reform.