Gosh, you might be saying. If Obama helped massacre some Christians, shouldn't that be a bigger story? It's one thing to be a practicing secret Muslim, but when you start slaughtering Christians, well, then you've gone too far. Apparently Obama...
Hmmm...does that mean that McCain's support of Reagan's policy on weapons in Iraq makes McCain responsible for the attempted genocide of the Kurds by Saddam?
Raila Odinga is Obamas Kenya Lolo tribe "cousin." Yes he got invovled when Odinga lost the election. Called upon C. Rice and ultimately Odinga was named Prime Minister particpating in a co-presidency. Sound way out of bounds for a US Senator of Illinois? It should. so the story goes, Odinga has signed an agreement to support the muslim religion. I doubt that Obama or his reverend cries much at night over the loss of 50 Christans or the buring of the churches in Kenya. We're expendable. Or haven't you heard Obama say that the US is no longer a Christain country? Looks like by inviting others to practice the religion of their choice in the USA we sort of lost the trademark portection necessary to consider ourselves a Christain country. Obama has spoken.
Wait and see what this wolf in sheep's clothing has in store for all you sheep. Wake up and do your due diligance on who in the world you are picking to run this country and why.
Our choices may not be ideal, but let's give Obama a few more years to come out of the political closet and see who this guy really is before we give him the keys to the white house based on his multi-cultural background or his preference to call himself black and only black alone. You can't get rid of slavery white guilt by electing someone who does not love this country as president based on his color or preference to be called African American. There will be others. Wait for the right man or woman not just any black (so he says but he is half white) man or woman. Maybe the next black person running for president will actuallly have a background that is not so questionable, friends that are not so radical, a wife (or husband) who is not so bitter and maybe just maybe that man or woman will have earned the support and respect of voters not just hysterial fawning like the media has exibited. I would have voted for C. Powell in a heartbeat. This is NOT about race voters, it is about where this country is heading and I don't look good in muslim garb, I can't pay anymore taxes, I just cannot, I don't believe in illegal immigration and I don't want to take on the burdon of feeding and caring for the world when I see my fellow American's suffering, especially the edlerly. This whole election has just been bizare. I feel like I'm in Nazi Germany and the crowds are chanting for Hilter and the horrible things he convinced an entire country to believe. This is not much different in my opinion.
Yikes
August 6, 2008 11:16 AM
NOBAMA NOBAMA NOBAMA EVER
Dave
August 6, 2008 12:41 PM
M Goddard....I'll say off the top that I'm an independent and am not particularly enthusiastic about either candidate...
With respect, if you are to receive any respect for your comments and criticisms, you really need to consider the CONTEXT and INTENTION of remarks/events you are referencing lest you be interpreted as a raving lunatic.
To suggest that Barack said the US is no longer a Christian nation is ludicrous. Barack has only ever said that he believes in the value of separating church and state - this is not a radical idea, it is built into the very foundational ideology of the United States, so for you to insinuate that he is somehow unpatriotic, or unChristian is reprehensible.
Let me also remind you that, for all intents and purposes, Obama IS black - he is not lying when he says this, he is not trying to obscure the well known fact that his mother is white, he is merely reflecting how growing up in American Society has led him to identify himself. The fact that he has a white mother is trivial - it does not change the fact that, for his whole life, he has probably been referred to and treated as Black, and lets be honest, if you didn't know he had a white mother, any educated person could easily mistake him as Black. Do not forget that American classification of race is deeply rooted in the slavery era assertion that only "one drop of negro blood" makes you black. He is not a liar when it comes to his race, merely a reflection of his society.
Your comment about not wanting to wear muslim garb is insulting, inflammatory, and completely unsubstantiated. Period. Unless you can provide any compelling evidence to back this up, you should be ashamed of yourself.
If this is so much like Nazi Germany, and Obama is so much like Hitler in trying to convince millions to believe horrible things, then tell me, what exactly is so horrible about Obamas remarks? You may not agree with his policy, and that is completely within your rights...but to somehow suggest that Obama's rhetoric is on par with a psychopath calling for the mass extermination of Jews? once again, without providing any proof for this allusion, you should be very, very ashamed of yourself.
As a U.S. citizen, you are entitled to your voice, but you should also respect the voices of others and if you are to criticize them, you should do so in a reasonable manner. Instead, you engage in a baseless witchhunt by villifying the person with whom you disagree without any substantial evidence - now that sounds an awful lot like nazi germany.
recovering ex-Pentecostal
August 6, 2008 4:42 PM
"Gosh, you might be saying. If Obama helped massacre some Christians, shouldn't that be a bigger story? It's one thing to be a practicing secret Muslim, but when you start slaughtering Christians, well, then you've gone too far.
Apparently Obama gave some support to Raila Odinga in Kenya. Odinga lost. Odinga protested the results. Violence ensued in which some 50 Pentecostal Christians died.
Hence, according to the popular conservative website WND.com, Obama has "links" to a massacre of Christians."
Steve, your use of words like "Gosh, you might be saying..." and "Apparently ..." and "Hence, according to World Net Daily ..." and "Obama has 'links' to ..." (etc.) make me think you don't personally believe the 'story' is true. Why, then, dignify it with an entry here on Beliefnet? Oh, wait, I temporarily forgot, that's what right-wing conservatives do, spread blather and nonsense. And it's 'indexed' to "Obama muslim" no less! How much lower do you think you can slink to?
This 'article' is way beneath you, though, from what I've seen, pretty typical. And then people feel it's right to further question Obama and his credentials.
Stop the slander and the innuendo and the slurs and the lies and the false 'accusations' now. Bearing false witness against your neighbour is 1 of the Big 10, you seem to have forgotten. God have pity on your soul.
Rob
August 7, 2008 3:40 PM
Wait a minute, folks.
Christianity has been almost obliterated in Iraq since the US interventions, 1991 and 2003, McCain supported. Isn't McCain complicit in the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi Christians (and greater numbers of Shia and Sunni)?
About the only way Beliefnet could be fair and balanced on McCain and Obama would be to run the references to a McCain-like figure's cannibalism in his North Vietnamese cell on the NBC drama Medium with the same size headlines as those here--or maybe to delete about 10 of your last posts. This site isn't a discussion of belief. It's an arm of the Republican party.
pagansister
August 9, 2008 12:01 PM
Somehow I can't figure out how it is Obama's fault that the folks in Afica start killing each other over a dispute in an election result. He supported the man who lost, and it's his fault that the mobs, upset with those results caused death and distruction of Christians in that country? That is a lot far fetched!
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Hmmm...does that mean that McCain's support of Reagan's policy on weapons in Iraq makes McCain responsible for the attempted genocide of the Kurds by Saddam?
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE7D81230F930A15756C0A967958260
Raila Odinga is Obamas Kenya Lolo tribe "cousin." Yes he got invovled when Odinga lost the election. Called upon C. Rice and ultimately Odinga was named Prime Minister particpating in a co-presidency. Sound way out of bounds for a US Senator of Illinois? It should. so the story goes, Odinga has signed an agreement to support the muslim religion. I doubt that Obama or his reverend cries much at night over the loss of 50 Christans or the buring of the churches in Kenya. We're expendable. Or haven't you heard Obama say that the US is no longer a Christain country? Looks like by inviting others to practice the religion of their choice in the USA we sort of lost the trademark portection necessary to consider ourselves a Christain country. Obama has spoken.
Wait and see what this wolf in sheep's clothing has in store for all you sheep. Wake up and do your due diligance on who in the world you are picking to run this country and why.
Our choices may not be ideal, but let's give Obama a few more years to come out of the political closet and see who this guy really is before we give him the keys to the white house based on his multi-cultural background or his preference to call himself black and only black alone. You can't get rid of slavery white guilt by electing someone who does not love this country as president based on his color or preference to be called African American. There will be others. Wait for the right man or woman not just any black (so he says but he is half white) man or woman. Maybe the next black person running for president will actuallly have a background that is not so questionable, friends that are not so radical, a wife (or husband) who is not so bitter and maybe just maybe that man or woman will have earned the support and respect of voters not just hysterial fawning like the media has exibited. I would have voted for C. Powell in a heartbeat. This is NOT about race voters, it is about where this country is heading and I don't look good in muslim garb, I can't pay anymore taxes, I just cannot, I don't believe in illegal immigration and I don't want to take on the burdon of feeding and caring for the world when I see my fellow American's suffering, especially the edlerly. This whole election has just been bizare. I feel like I'm in Nazi Germany and the crowds are chanting for Hilter and the horrible things he convinced an entire country to believe. This is not much different in my opinion.
NOBAMA NOBAMA NOBAMA EVER
M Goddard....I'll say off the top that I'm an independent and am not particularly enthusiastic about either candidate...
With respect, if you are to receive any respect for your comments and criticisms, you really need to consider the CONTEXT and INTENTION of remarks/events you are referencing lest you be interpreted as a raving lunatic.
To suggest that Barack said the US is no longer a Christian nation is ludicrous. Barack has only ever said that he believes in the value of separating church and state - this is not a radical idea, it is built into the very foundational ideology of the United States, so for you to insinuate that he is somehow unpatriotic, or unChristian is reprehensible.
Let me also remind you that, for all intents and purposes, Obama IS black - he is not lying when he says this, he is not trying to obscure the well known fact that his mother is white, he is merely reflecting how growing up in American Society has led him to identify himself. The fact that he has a white mother is trivial - it does not change the fact that, for his whole life, he has probably been referred to and treated as Black, and lets be honest, if you didn't know he had a white mother, any educated person could easily mistake him as Black. Do not forget that American classification of race is deeply rooted in the slavery era assertion that only "one drop of negro blood" makes you black. He is not a liar when it comes to his race, merely a reflection of his society.
Your comment about not wanting to wear muslim garb is insulting, inflammatory, and completely unsubstantiated. Period. Unless you can provide any compelling evidence to back this up, you should be ashamed of yourself.
If this is so much like Nazi Germany, and Obama is so much like Hitler in trying to convince millions to believe horrible things, then tell me, what exactly is so horrible about Obamas remarks? You may not agree with his policy, and that is completely within your rights...but to somehow suggest that Obama's rhetoric is on par with a psychopath calling for the mass extermination of Jews? once again, without providing any proof for this allusion, you should be very, very ashamed of yourself.
As a U.S. citizen, you are entitled to your voice, but you should also respect the voices of others and if you are to criticize them, you should do so in a reasonable manner. Instead, you engage in a baseless witchhunt by villifying the person with whom you disagree without any substantial evidence - now that sounds an awful lot like nazi germany.
"Gosh, you might be saying. If Obama helped massacre some Christians, shouldn't that be a bigger story? It's one thing to be a practicing secret Muslim, but when you start slaughtering Christians, well, then you've gone too far.
Apparently Obama gave some support to Raila Odinga in Kenya. Odinga lost. Odinga protested the results. Violence ensued in which some 50 Pentecostal Christians died.
Hence, according to the popular conservative website WND.com, Obama has "links" to a massacre of Christians."
Steve, your use of words like "Gosh, you might be saying..." and "Apparently ..." and "Hence, according to World Net Daily ..." and "Obama has 'links' to ..." (etc.) make me think you don't personally believe the 'story' is true. Why, then, dignify it with an entry here on Beliefnet? Oh, wait, I temporarily forgot, that's what right-wing conservatives do, spread blather and nonsense. And it's 'indexed' to "Obama muslim" no less! How much lower do you think you can slink to?
This 'article' is way beneath you, though, from what I've seen, pretty typical. And then people feel it's right to further question Obama and his credentials.
Stop the slander and the innuendo and the slurs and the lies and the false 'accusations' now. Bearing false witness against your neighbour is 1 of the Big 10, you seem to have forgotten. God have pity on your soul.
Wait a minute, folks.
Christianity has been almost obliterated in Iraq since the US interventions, 1991 and 2003, McCain supported. Isn't McCain complicit in the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi Christians (and greater numbers of Shia and Sunni)?
About the only way Beliefnet could be fair and balanced on McCain and Obama would be to run the references to a McCain-like figure's cannibalism in his North Vietnamese cell on the NBC drama Medium with the same size headlines as those here--or maybe to delete about 10 of your last posts. This site isn't a discussion of belief. It's an arm of the Republican party.
Somehow I can't figure out how it is Obama's fault that the folks in Afica start killing each other over a dispute in an election result. He supported the man who lost, and it's his fault that the mobs, upset with those results caused death and distruction of Christians in that country? That is a lot far fetched!
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