Steven Waldman

Santorum: Obama's Faith Is "Phony"

Friday August 1, 2008

I heard a rather striking talk from Rick Santorum, the former Republican senator from Pennsylvania, who was addressing a gathering of foreign journalists under the auspices of the Oxford Center for Religion and Public Life.

Santorum, known for overtly connecting his fath to his politics, said the Democrats' current efforts to be more faith-friendly are "a charade... I dont think it's sincere at all." Obama's efforts to talk about the importance of faith in his life is "phoney--absolutely disingenuous. I think he's a complete phoney."

Obama, Santorum argued, chose Trinity Church in Chcago because it was politically advantageous -- "faith was an avenue for power."

(At the end of the attack, he added that of course it would be inappropriate for him to judge the authenticity of Obama's faith, as only God could do that.)

It's interesting: when Republicans talk about their faith, they're accused of being theocrats who want to shove religion down other people's throats. When Democrats do it, they're accused of being phoney.

After he'd accused Obama and other Democrats of religoius fraudulance for a few minutes, journalist Terry Mattingly of GetReligion.org asked whether it's possible that rather than being fake, perhaps,Obama was sincerely reflecting a form of liberal Christianity in the tradition of Reinhold Neibuhr. Santorum surprised me by answering that yes, "I could buy that."

However, he questioned whether liberal christianity was really, well, Christian. "You're a liberal something, but your not a Christian." He continued, "When you take a salvation story and turn it into a liberation story you've abandoned Christiandom and I don't think you have a right to claim it."

In other words, Obama's faith is fraudulant in part because liberal Christinaity is.

I've come across this sentiment before. To a degree rarely discussed, many conservative Christians truly doubt both the theological truth and the spiritual authenticity of liberal Christians.

Comments
Barbara
September 8, 2008 2:32 PM

I find it amusing that many of the conservative "Christians" will have you believing (erroneously I might add), that Islam and Muslims' ultimate goal is to take over the world by force and shove the religion down everyone's throat. Yet many of the conservative Christians are doing JUST THAT, and say they are justified in doing so by protecting their religion. Jesus would probably not be too happy with the way they are behaving, because tolerance and "loving thy brother" were some of the things he espoused. Santorum and his ilk should be thrown back into the Crusades where they belong.

Judge not, lest ye be judged. Heard of that Rick ole boy?

T
October 9, 2008 10:15 PM

In response to Barbara,

Let me begin by saying, all of what you said is misinformed. I'll start with Islam. Ascertainably, you have never read the Koran. Have you had done so, you would know that muslims are called to put all infidels under the sword of Islam. Infidels are defined, in the Koran's terms, as anyone who does not willingly subscribe to their faith. Also, that it's destiny is to put all the world under Islam. A moderate muslim would tell you that and also state they don't prescribe to it. Radical Islam is the threat and also looks down upon their Moderate bretheren and sistren. (Observe radical Islam's mistreatment of women and children) Next unenlightened statement you made, is that Christians are forcing their faith on people. Again, had you paid attention to anything but a liberal viewpoint, you would know that is quite impossible for any Christian to do. How so? Unfortunately for the Christian, they are the only religion in this country that has limitations on their Free Speech and Free Expression amendmants granted by the Constitution. A Christian cannot, as you know, go into any public place and express their faith w/o receiving some kind of hostility from people with an opposing viewpoint. Even to the point that action is taken against them. The same is also true in public schools. A bible, a mere book, is a threat to some and incites unstable emotions at the sight of it. Also to mention that speaking the name of Christ is subject to silencing the speaker. Now onto your misuse of a piece of scripture, "Judge not, lest ye be judge." You also have shown your lack of knowledge in regards to Christianty also. Christ did a lot of judging and was perfectly accurate in doing so. That statement is subject to misintereptation when used, like that, because there is plenty more that is attached to it. That scripture also states, "Don't judge the speck in your brother's eye w/o first removing the plank in your own eye." Now, we can ascertain that the true meaning is not so much focusing on "judgement" but hypocrisy. I can judge you, Barbara, as ill-informed and foolish because I take time to think before I talk and review my facts prior to speaking to make sure I am absorbing true fact and not someone's ideology. If I did not, I would be guilty of hypocrisy and my judging your statements here would be wrong. Also, if how you spoke in terms of that scripture were true...We'd be in some trouble wouldn't we? Christ would be guilty...not to mention I'd have to ask you, why would we need Judges and a legal system? If the context you use WAS accurate ; Wouldn't we be in violation of that which Christ said? That concludes what I wanted to say and I will leave you, Barbara, with a passage from the book of Wisdom from the Old Testament. A man asked, "How can you look for wisdom in a person?" The reply he was given, "Merely listen to the words that come forth from their mouth and you will know if that person is either wise or a fool."

To the other readers, I apologize for the lengthy post...I had much to cover.

mbr47
October 17, 2008 11:51 AM
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Like "T", Rick Santorum is a hypocrite with control issues.

david thurman
October 26, 2008 6:30 PM

I always find it interesting when someone Jumps up, claims "Everyone else's view is Wrong and my view is correct". He goes on the claim that Mr. Obama's Faith is fradulant without supporting how that might be. I suppose from his view it's fradulant because it's not like his. He has determined that His view is the measuring stick by which all other faith views are measured by and if it doesn't measure up, it must be fradulant. Is this not a perfect example of being Self Deluded? Isn't this ultimately the Cornerstone of the Religious Right? Isn't the whold movement an agrandized, self deluded view of the world that allows no other view and or is not even capable of seeing another view without claiming any view but their own is false? Isn't their push for Doctrinal purity from their followers as well as the republican party nothing more than a desire to control the view that they have? My question to them would be, "If they truly have Christ's view, then why all of the anger, hatred, and bigotry? why the scare tactics to keep people in line, why the derogatory language when talking about other people? I simply want to know, how is this anything like Christ? It's not for me to say that the Religous right is a collection of wacked out nut jobs who have created a cross denominational cult. Oh no, I would never say that nor even imply that. In fact, please ignore that last comment as if I didn't say it. I will say, as a liberal Christian (who's heading straight to hell from some people's perspective), I know that God will sort it all out.....:D


I heard the Heaven's give out a huge laugh the other day as I was giving thanks Thanks to God for sending Sarah Palin. I'm now praying that she will be the Future of the Republican party. I can't imagine God being that Generous but one can only hope and pray.

Sandra
November 9, 2008 4:06 PM

I hope Rick Santorum runs for president in 2012!!

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