Obama's Family Ad -- Raising the McCain Adultery Issue???
Friday August 15, 2008
This new ad from Matthew 25, a progressive religious advocacy group, features Brian McLaren, a popular Christian author, and KirbyJon Caldwell -- George W. Bush's pastor. It may seem schlocky but the idea that Obama appears to be a...
The GOP wanted to impeach Clinton for his affair in the White House and it is not OK to bring up that McCain cheated on his wife? There is one verse in the New Testament that nobody but the the Catholics seem to remember: "God hates divorce." I bet that many of the Religious Self Righteous don't even know ere to find it.
So while the Republicans go after Edwards for his affair, it is fair that stones are cast back at McCain for his affair and his divorce. In the Mind of God, both have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. Both have failed to live Joly and blameless lives. But then, None are worthy, we ALL sin and shame ourselves before God.
bob casey
August 15, 2008 1:28 PM
What about abortion, especially one that goes bad and the baby survives, only to let die. Not to excuse McCain, but he has publically been shamed and admittedly at fault. Obama on the other hand would not want you to know his past positions.
But Jesus called the children to him and said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
vegantrex
August 15, 2008 1:33 PM
well, the allegation of adultery has raised it's head recently with the lobbyist. it's a fair issue to raise with John. He doesn't get a pass because he admits he was a cad
K
August 15, 2008 2:52 PM
No, I don't believe this ad goes into John McCain's adultery[ies]. It's about Obama, and portrays his lovely family.
But, now that you've brought it up, what about McCain's adultery[ies]? If he's going to go on about "saving" marriage from those dreadful homosexuals, then his own marital misbehavior[s] is[are] very definitely an issue.
Extramarital activity is most assuredly NOT a barrier to being elected president (viz, FDR, JFK, and many more). But perhaps voters should consider hypocritical posturing when they cast their votes.
Not Christian
August 15, 2008 2:56 PM
Christian values? As a state senator, Obama voted PRESENT on a bill that would afford healthcare to babies born in abortions gone awry. Pro-choice isn't enough for Obama, it seems. He won't even let babies who have survived infanticide survive.
gmo2
August 15, 2008 3:25 PM
Waldman: Looks like Democrats are now starting to float the issue, especially in religious circles. Will this seem like a cheap shot? Or a pugnacious counter-punch to McCain's ads implying that Obama has a Messianic complex or conservative activists talking about his drug use?
This is pugnacious? This is a cheap shot? Give me a break. The ad doesn't mention McCain. All it says is that Obama is for his family and for yours. McCain has been running an ad during the Olympics about how Obama is not ready to lead, that he doesn't care about families. This ad simply says that he does and he has. If you think it says something about McCain or if those in religious circles do, then I think it is a feeling about McCain you and they are bringing to the ad.
hootie1fan@aol.com
August 15, 2008 3:27 PM
If a Dems' adultery and divorce is an issue, so is that of the Republicans.
Sad that voters seem to care more about who a candidate has sex with than what their voting record is on issues related to healthcare, veterans support, the economy, the environment, etc.
Jim
August 15, 2008 4:53 PM
What is McCain's history on Matthew 25 initiatives? What is his plan for Matthew 25 initiatives when he is President.
"Raising the McCain Adultery Issue???"
How about raising the question about whether a Christian would lie in every one of his malicious attacks against Obama?
More Tax Deceptions Updated: August 12, 2008
McCain misrepresents Obama's tax proposals again. And again, and again.
McCain released three new ads with multiple false and misleading claims about Obama's tax proposals.
McCain has been twisting tax facts about Obama as far back as June 10, when he gave a speech to a small-business gathering saying: "Under Senator Obama's tax plan, Americans of every background would see their taxes rise." There may be persons of "every background" among the affluent, but McCain's phrasing was misleading.
These ads continue his long-running pattern of deception on taxes.
All I can see that it says is that Obama has a family he loves and cares about. Never mentions McCain.
As to McCain's first marriage? He isn't the first nor will he be the last future politician to have divorce in his/her past. R. Reagan was married, divorced and remarried before he became president. JFK had a bunch of mistresses as president and probably before, as have other leaders. For McCain it is in the past. Leave it there.
I think that McCain and other Viet Nam Vets. had a hard time returning from the horrors they saw, and to add to that McCain was a POW for 5 years. He must have changed a lot after his war experiences. Many marriages didn't survive the return of the Viet Nam vets. He and his first wife probably had nothing in common anymore except the children. He didn't desert his children and he and his first wife are, according to reports, still friends.
ds0490
August 15, 2008 6:29 PM
Well it's about d**n time that this came up.
Bobby
August 16, 2008 12:04 AM
McCain committed adultery. Obama has been faithful to his wife. Christian people should think about that when they vote.
McCain is a disgusting person. Obama has good family values. Christians need to make sure McCain is not elected!
Charles Cosimano
August 16, 2008 3:57 AM
Does anyone else the sound of yawning?
DG
August 16, 2008 9:26 AM
Those on this site who are catholic are aware that the catholic church has been dictating who we are to vote for. Actually, threatening us is more appropriate, though I suspect the tone varies between dioceses and bishops. The bottom line: if a catholic votes for the "pro-abortion" Obama then we are committing sin (according to the Vatican ) and risk being denied the sacrements for our sin. Canon 1329 is cited to justify this action. On the other hand, if we vote for McCain, we are being faithful to the catholic teachings.
I find the hypocrisy of this repulsive. The catholic church condemns divorced/remarried couples for living in perpetual unrepentant sin of adultery. Yet, in the next breath, the church is demanding that catholics vote for a presidential candidiate who is divorced, remarried and is LIVING in the perpetual sin of adultery (according to the vatican anyway). Canon 1329 applies here as well. So, why is the leadership not speaking out here as fervently as they speak out against Obama? Is this an example of the proportionalism the pope has been blaming recently for all of the woes of the catholic church? Or is it worse? Is it perhaps a case of the leadership leading us into sin?
ds0490
August 16, 2008 11:52 AM
"Is it perhaps a case of the leadership leading us into sin?"
You left out a few words in that sentence. Allow me to correct it.
"Is it perhaps a case of pedophile accommodating bishops in leadership leading us into sin?"
Bob
August 16, 2008 1:49 PM
I think the previous posters fail to see something that should be obvious: As immoral as adultery is, it's not the same as murder.
McCain may have cheated on his first wife, but Obama supports the murder of innocent children through abortion rights.
DG
August 16, 2008 3:37 PM
Bob:
If we are to believe what we have been taught, and what the scriptures say, in the eyes of God, there is no heirarchy of sin, sin is sin. It is only our human awareness that classifies one sin as being better (or less evil if you prefer) than another.
As I wrote that I realized how often we use the argument that adultery is better (less evil) than the sin of abortion, that the sin of lying is better (less evil) than murder, etc. as an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Too many people believe that because they are not murderers, that it is not that bad being a liar or an adulterer.
The truth is, both are wrong. Both are sin.
jack stafford
August 17, 2008 12:28 PM
for those that want to forgive this is fine, but to forget it is a typical right wing move , this is about as cold hearted as you can get your wife taking care of your children being mother and father, instead of repaying his loving wife with kindness and appreciation he hands her a divorce decree, so us all just run out there and vote for our honest pro life candidate, mr straight talking express, i'am certain cindy's millions didn't have any influence on his decision ,go big john!
pagansister
August 17, 2008 1:38 PM
Being a registered Independent and a non-Christian, religion (or their leaders) doesn't dictate to me whether I vote for one person or another. Personally, I don't think divorce is a "sin" nor is an abortion. It isn't up to a church or a government to deny a woman's right to do with her body as she sees fit. Does everyone have to like that? No. A woman is entitled to make her choice and should be allowed safe and legal access to one if necessary. Never an easy choice...never. Adultry? That too is a religious term. It would be nice if all human beings behaved themselves, but they don't. McCain is no different than millions of other men and women under those circumstances. So throwing stones at someone for their past because it bugs them religion wise...get over it. This is the here and now...not the past. Isn't "forgivness" supposed to be in Christianity somewhere?
Paul Cooper
August 17, 2008 6:01 PM
Sin is only equal when it comes to the judgment seat of God. Sin is not equal when it comes to consequences and choosing a leader. Adultery from 30 plus years ago that has been repented of should not be part of this election. But someone who currently supports the death of innocent children through abortion is not fit to be president!
pagansister
August 17, 2008 10:34 PM
Paul C. As I said, the government has NO BUSINESS interfering with a woman's reproductive rights. If indeed the courts were foolish enough to put a stop to it....then women would just return to coat hangers and back alley abortions. Is that preferable to legal and safe ones? I think not! If you don't want a president who has the sense to recognize reality (abortions will continue, whether legal or not) then don't vote for that person...even it that candidate might be a great president on world affairs and running the country. There is no such thing as a one agenda platform for a candidate. BTW, a group of cells isn't a child.
katherine
August 18, 2008 5:13 PM
Bill Clinton was vilified because of his relationship with Monica Lewinsky. In what way was his adultery worse than John McCain's?
No one has ever suggested that Carol McCain was not totally supportive of, and loyal to, her husband while he was a prisoner and when he returned. John McCain's behavior suggests he wasn't willing to continue in a marriage with a woman who no longer fit his image of "wife".
The right is trying to label Senator Obama as an elitist which is amusing in that Senator McCain, the son and grandson of admirals in the US Navy, was a crown prince within that culture. McCain grew up watching the men in his family being deferred to by those whose rank was lower. He experienced a life in which orders given were orders taken without question. As an officer himself and as a senator, McCain has lived a life in which he has had few people to challenge him.
No one questions his commitment to this country but his sense of entitlement in his youth and as a senator should raise some questions. He clearly felt he was entitled to a different wife.
That is a dangerous
Mike Licht
September 3, 2008 7:42 AM
The Defense of Marriage Act is a Republican initiative. The 2008 GOP Platform uses the word "marriage" 15 times, making it a national issue.
Bigamy is a legal term, and correctly used in describing the status of John McCain between March 6, 1980 date of his marriage license to wed Cindy Lou Hensley) and April 2, 1980 (date of his divorce decree from Carol McCain).
David
September 7, 2008 3:45 PM
John McCain took an oath when we married his first wife. For better or for worse, till death do we part.
If he broke that oath, why in the world would we trust him on national issues and as our president? Some say that adultery is not as bad as murder. Who will stand before God and say their sin wasn't as bad as the other persons sin?
Sin is sin and neither is better or worse than the other. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil, isn't it?
Maybe Christians ought not vote for either party if neither qualify by the standards that God set.
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The GOP wanted to impeach Clinton for his affair in the White House and it is not OK to bring up that McCain cheated on his wife? There is one verse in the New Testament that nobody but the the Catholics seem to remember: "God hates divorce." I bet that many of the Religious Self Righteous don't even know ere to find it.
So while the Republicans go after Edwards for his affair, it is fair that stones are cast back at McCain for his affair and his divorce. In the Mind of God, both have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. Both have failed to live Joly and blameless lives. But then, None are worthy, we ALL sin and shame ourselves before God.
What about abortion, especially one that goes bad and the baby survives, only to let die. Not to excuse McCain, but he has publically been shamed and admittedly at fault. Obama on the other hand would not want you to know his past positions.
But Jesus called the children to him and said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
well, the allegation of adultery has raised it's head recently with the lobbyist. it's a fair issue to raise with John. He doesn't get a pass because he admits he was a cad
No, I don't believe this ad goes into John McCain's adultery[ies]. It's about Obama, and portrays his lovely family.
But, now that you've brought it up, what about McCain's adultery[ies]? If he's going to go on about "saving" marriage from those dreadful homosexuals, then his own marital misbehavior[s] is[are] very definitely an issue.
Extramarital activity is most assuredly NOT a barrier to being elected president (viz, FDR, JFK, and many more). But perhaps voters should consider hypocritical posturing when they cast their votes.
Christian values? As a state senator, Obama voted PRESENT on a bill that would afford healthcare to babies born in abortions gone awry. Pro-choice isn't enough for Obama, it seems. He won't even let babies who have survived infanticide survive.
Waldman: Looks like Democrats are now starting to float the issue, especially in religious circles. Will this seem like a cheap shot? Or a pugnacious counter-punch to McCain's ads implying that Obama has a Messianic complex or conservative activists talking about his drug use?
This is pugnacious? This is a cheap shot? Give me a break. The ad doesn't mention McCain. All it says is that Obama is for his family and for yours. McCain has been running an ad during the Olympics about how Obama is not ready to lead, that he doesn't care about families. This ad simply says that he does and he has. If you think it says something about McCain or if those in religious circles do, then I think it is a feeling about McCain you and they are bringing to the ad.
If a Dems' adultery and divorce is an issue, so is that of the Republicans.
Sad that voters seem to care more about who a candidate has sex with than what their voting record is on issues related to healthcare, veterans support, the economy, the environment, etc.
What is McCain's history on Matthew 25 initiatives? What is his plan for Matthew 25 initiatives when he is President.
"Raising the McCain Adultery Issue???"
How about raising the question about whether a Christian would lie in every one of his malicious attacks against Obama?
More Tax Deceptions Updated: August 12, 2008
McCain misrepresents Obama's tax proposals again. And again, and again.
McCain released three new ads with multiple false and misleading claims about Obama's tax proposals.
McCain has been twisting tax facts about Obama as far back as June 10, when he gave a speech to a small-business gathering saying: "Under Senator Obama's tax plan, Americans of every background would see their taxes rise." There may be persons of "every background" among the affluent, but McCain's phrasing was misleading.
These ads continue his long-running pattern of deception on taxes.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html
All I can see that it says is that Obama has a family he loves and cares about. Never mentions McCain.
As to McCain's first marriage? He isn't the first nor will he be the last future politician to have divorce in his/her past. R. Reagan was married, divorced and remarried before he became president. JFK had a bunch of mistresses as president and probably before, as have other leaders. For McCain it is in the past. Leave it there.
I think that McCain and other Viet Nam Vets. had a hard time returning from the horrors they saw, and to add to that McCain was a POW for 5 years. He must have changed a lot after his war experiences. Many marriages didn't survive the return of the Viet Nam vets. He and his first wife probably had nothing in common anymore except the children. He didn't desert his children and he and his first wife are, according to reports, still friends.
Well it's about d**n time that this came up.
McCain committed adultery. Obama has been faithful to his wife. Christian people should think about that when they vote.
McCain is a disgusting person. Obama has good family values. Christians need to make sure McCain is not elected!
Does anyone else the sound of yawning?
Those on this site who are catholic are aware that the catholic church has been dictating who we are to vote for. Actually, threatening us is more appropriate, though I suspect the tone varies between dioceses and bishops. The bottom line: if a catholic votes for the "pro-abortion" Obama then we are committing sin (according to the Vatican ) and risk being denied the sacrements for our sin. Canon 1329 is cited to justify this action. On the other hand, if we vote for McCain, we are being faithful to the catholic teachings.
I find the hypocrisy of this repulsive. The catholic church condemns divorced/remarried couples for living in perpetual unrepentant sin of adultery. Yet, in the next breath, the church is demanding that catholics vote for a presidential candidiate who is divorced, remarried and is LIVING in the perpetual sin of adultery (according to the vatican anyway). Canon 1329 applies here as well. So, why is the leadership not speaking out here as fervently as they speak out against Obama? Is this an example of the proportionalism the pope has been blaming recently for all of the woes of the catholic church? Or is it worse? Is it perhaps a case of the leadership leading us into sin?
"Is it perhaps a case of the leadership leading us into sin?"
You left out a few words in that sentence. Allow me to correct it.
"Is it perhaps a case of pedophile accommodating bishops in leadership leading us into sin?"
I think the previous posters fail to see something that should be obvious: As immoral as adultery is, it's not the same as murder.
McCain may have cheated on his first wife, but Obama supports the murder of innocent children through abortion rights.
Bob:
If we are to believe what we have been taught, and what the scriptures say, in the eyes of God, there is no heirarchy of sin, sin is sin. It is only our human awareness that classifies one sin as being better (or less evil if you prefer) than another.
As I wrote that I realized how often we use the argument that adultery is better (less evil) than the sin of abortion, that the sin of lying is better (less evil) than murder, etc. as an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Too many people believe that because they are not murderers, that it is not that bad being a liar or an adulterer.
The truth is, both are wrong. Both are sin.
for those that want to forgive this is fine, but to forget it is a typical right wing move , this is about as cold hearted as you can get your wife taking care of your children being mother and father, instead of repaying his loving wife with kindness and appreciation he hands her a divorce decree, so us all just run out there and vote for our honest pro life candidate, mr straight talking express, i'am certain cindy's millions didn't have any influence on his decision ,go big john!
Being a registered Independent and a non-Christian, religion (or their leaders) doesn't dictate to me whether I vote for one person or another. Personally, I don't think divorce is a "sin" nor is an abortion. It isn't up to a church or a government to deny a woman's right to do with her body as she sees fit. Does everyone have to like that? No. A woman is entitled to make her choice and should be allowed safe and legal access to one if necessary. Never an easy choice...never. Adultry? That too is a religious term. It would be nice if all human beings behaved themselves, but they don't. McCain is no different than millions of other men and women under those circumstances. So throwing stones at someone for their past because it bugs them religion wise...get over it. This is the here and now...not the past. Isn't "forgivness" supposed to be in Christianity somewhere?
Sin is only equal when it comes to the judgment seat of God. Sin is not equal when it comes to consequences and choosing a leader. Adultery from 30 plus years ago that has been repented of should not be part of this election. But someone who currently supports the death of innocent children through abortion is not fit to be president!
Paul C. As I said, the government has NO BUSINESS interfering with a woman's reproductive rights. If indeed the courts were foolish enough to put a stop to it....then women would just return to coat hangers and back alley abortions. Is that preferable to legal and safe ones? I think not! If you don't want a president who has the sense to recognize reality (abortions will continue, whether legal or not) then don't vote for that person...even it that candidate might be a great president on world affairs and running the country. There is no such thing as a one agenda platform for a candidate. BTW, a group of cells isn't a child.
Bill Clinton was vilified because of his relationship with Monica Lewinsky. In what way was his adultery worse than John McCain's?
No one has ever suggested that Carol McCain was not totally supportive of, and loyal to, her husband while he was a prisoner and when he returned. John McCain's behavior suggests he wasn't willing to continue in a marriage with a woman who no longer fit his image of "wife".
The right is trying to label Senator Obama as an elitist which is amusing in that Senator McCain, the son and grandson of admirals in the US Navy, was a crown prince within that culture. McCain grew up watching the men in his family being deferred to by those whose rank was lower. He experienced a life in which orders given were orders taken without question. As an officer himself and as a senator, McCain has lived a life in which he has had few people to challenge him.
No one questions his commitment to this country but his sense of entitlement in his youth and as a senator should raise some questions. He clearly felt he was entitled to a different wife.
That is a dangerous
The Defense of Marriage Act is a Republican initiative. The 2008 GOP Platform uses the word "marriage" 15 times, making it a national issue.
Bigamy is a legal term, and correctly used in describing the status of John McCain between March 6, 1980 date of his marriage license to wed Cindy Lou Hensley) and April 2, 1980 (date of his divorce decree from Carol McCain).
John McCain took an oath when we married his first wife. For better or for worse, till death do we part.
If he broke that oath, why in the world would we trust him on national issues and as our president? Some say that adultery is not as bad as murder. Who will stand before God and say their sin wasn't as bad as the other persons sin?
Sin is sin and neither is better or worse than the other. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil, isn't it?
Maybe Christians ought not vote for either party if neither qualify by the standards that God set.
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