Remember how it became a sport for reporters to try to detect the "dog whistle" lines in George W. Bush's speeches - i.e. phrases that might excite evangelicals without generating fear, or notice, from anyone else? Joe Biden is trying...
And your point is?? I started working at the age of thirteen because I couldn't play sports. I took pride in working every day of my life and now enjoy being retired. There is a dignity in working, a sense of self worth and for years my employers tried to "beat it out of me" by intimidation and degradation.
While the GOP supports low wages and outsourcing, Joe Biden has fought for the working men and women, fair wages, medical plans and retirements. He is a champion of the dignity of work. John McCain and the GOP dogs of industry seek to degrade, diminish and invalidate the working Americans with their anti-labor, anti-union and outsourcing jobs to third world countries that use child labor and forced labor.
If the Catholic Church is supportive of workers, they should stop attacking Obama and Biden.
Frankly
September 15, 2008 7:48 PM
To Scruffy...
First, the Catholic Church is supportive of human beings, including the most defenseless. This is where dignity begins. Joe Biden has forgotten it.
Don
September 15, 2008 9:15 PM
What's the fear Biden would have in appealing to Catholics? Come to think about it, what problem did Bush have appealing to evangelicals? I thought the whole original story about Bush using these code words a bit strange at the time. Did any evangelicals read these messages from Bush as code words?
Steven Waldman
September 15, 2008 11:51 PM
Don,
Sometimes I report things without meaning anything nefarious or momentous. Sometimes I just find it interesting.
I suppose I felt that in fairness to Bush, who was always inspected for code words, we should do the same for this year's crop of candidates, including the Democrats.
It's also a bit new in the sense that most of the appeals to Catholics have been from the conservative side -- on life issues. We're less familiar with how a Democrat might appeal to Catholics using particular phrases.
Don
September 16, 2008 12:12 PM
I understood your point, which was decent and fair. In fact, now that I've found your blog, I read it because you're doing such a great job being fair. I just needed help on what these code words were trying to hide. Thanks for the response.
MsChris
September 17, 2008 2:50 PM
@Don:
It's not that a Catholic will hear Biden (or an evangelical will hear Bush) and think "aha, he's speaking to us in a secret code that nobody else gets! They all think he's talking about something else!"
A general audience member who hears Biden talk about dignity will think "yes, my dignity was damaged when I lost my last job, and/or I can see how a displaced worker's dignity would be affected, so I know what he's talking about."
Listening to the same speech, a Catholic who grew up with "The Dignity of Work" as a key principle will think those same things - but will also think, if only at some gut level, that "Biden sees the world the same way I do, and he shares my values."
In other words, the "dog whistle" conveys extra content to specific listeners, without alienating everyone else by speaking more explicitly about faith (or what-have-you). It's a way of wringing extra value out of a mass-market speech.
Of course, assuming Biden grew up with "The Dignity of Work" as a key principle and has come to view job outsourcing and other economic issues through this lens, then the dog whistle may not have been intentional; his use of "dignity" in this context may simply be the way he views the subject.
It's possible that some or all of Bush's "dog whistles" are unconscious as well, though this book excerpt suggests otherwise:
(The author is clearly not a fan of Mr. Bush, although his sources seem credible; those who would prefer not to read less-than-glowing portraits of GWB might as well skip this link.)
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And your point is?? I started working at the age of thirteen because I couldn't play sports. I took pride in working every day of my life and now enjoy being retired. There is a dignity in working, a sense of self worth and for years my employers tried to "beat it out of me" by intimidation and degradation.
While the GOP supports low wages and outsourcing, Joe Biden has fought for the working men and women, fair wages, medical plans and retirements. He is a champion of the dignity of work. John McCain and the GOP dogs of industry seek to degrade, diminish and invalidate the working Americans with their anti-labor, anti-union and outsourcing jobs to third world countries that use child labor and forced labor.
If the Catholic Church is supportive of workers, they should stop attacking Obama and Biden.
To Scruffy...
First, the Catholic Church is supportive of human beings, including the most defenseless. This is where dignity begins. Joe Biden has forgotten it.
What's the fear Biden would have in appealing to Catholics? Come to think about it, what problem did Bush have appealing to evangelicals? I thought the whole original story about Bush using these code words a bit strange at the time. Did any evangelicals read these messages from Bush as code words?
Don,
Sometimes I report things without meaning anything nefarious or momentous. Sometimes I just find it interesting.
I suppose I felt that in fairness to Bush, who was always inspected for code words, we should do the same for this year's crop of candidates, including the Democrats.
It's also a bit new in the sense that most of the appeals to Catholics have been from the conservative side -- on life issues. We're less familiar with how a Democrat might appeal to Catholics using particular phrases.
I understood your point, which was decent and fair. In fact, now that I've found your blog, I read it because you're doing such a great job being fair. I just needed help on what these code words were trying to hide. Thanks for the response.
@Don:
It's not that a Catholic will hear Biden (or an evangelical will hear Bush) and think "aha, he's speaking to us in a secret code that nobody else gets! They all think he's talking about something else!"
A general audience member who hears Biden talk about dignity will think "yes, my dignity was damaged when I lost my last job, and/or I can see how a displaced worker's dignity would be affected, so I know what he's talking about."
Listening to the same speech, a Catholic who grew up with "The Dignity of Work" as a key principle will think those same things - but will also think, if only at some gut level, that "Biden sees the world the same way I do, and he shares my values."
In other words, the "dog whistle" conveys extra content to specific listeners, without alienating everyone else by speaking more explicitly about faith (or what-have-you). It's a way of wringing extra value out of a mass-market speech.
Of course, assuming Biden grew up with "The Dignity of Work" as a key principle and has come to view job outsourcing and other economic issues through this lens, then the dog whistle may not have been intentional; his use of "dignity" in this context may simply be the way he views the subject.
It's possible that some or all of Bush's "dog whistles" are unconscious as well, though this book excerpt suggests otherwise:
http://www.slate.com/id/2186343/entry/2186349/
(The author is clearly not a fan of Mr. Bush, although his sources seem credible; those who would prefer not to read less-than-glowing portraits of GWB might as well skip this link.)
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