Steven Waldman

Amidst Her Dodging, Palin Contradicts the Republican Platform on Abortion

Wednesday October 1, 2008

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Henry Clay
October 1, 2008 11:42 AM

The Republican Platform does not call for a ban on all abortions. Go back and read it. A "human life amendment" doesn't even call for banning all abortions. There are many different versions of such an amendment floating around. Heck, look at wikipedia's definition if you don't have independent knowledge.

Steven Ertelt
October 1, 2008 11:48 AM

Waldman, we have been down this road before. McCain and Palin did NOT shift on abortion or change position in any way. They have both repeatedly stated that Roe v. Wade -- the case that allowed virtually unlimited abortions throughout pregnancy for any reason -- should be overturned.

Next, the platform calls for a human life amendment that protects the right to life of unborn children and doesn't atually say whether exceptions should or shouldn't be a part of that amendment -- so you're technically wrong on that point.

You're also wrong saying that encouraging women who have been victimized by sexual abuse to keep their baby is not a pro-life position. The opposite is encouraging them to have an abortion. Is that what you think we support? Palin is absolutely right that we should support women who are rape victims and not shove abortion on them. The need medical support and their attackers need a long prison term -- and Palin appears to understand that.

How can you claim that Palin's urging a woman to "choose life" is pro-abortion when abortion advoctes have repeatedly opposed motorists being able to get Choose Life license plates?

I'm not sure how you can ask whether Palin supports sending women who have abortions to jail when she clearly said she didn't in the very transcript you cite here!

Finally, if you're worried about deviating from the platform, where is the critisim for Obama taking out the language saying abrotions should be safe and rare. Apparently he doesn't believe either.

What Obama does believe -- and what is in this current Democratic platform he constructed -- is that abortions should be legal for any reason any time in pregnancy and that taxpayers should be forced to pay for them. (http://www.lifenews.com/nat4110.html)

Not only that, Obama believes every single pro-life law should be overturned -- including bans on taxpayer funding of abortion, partial-birth abortions, parental involvement, informed consent, everything. And that's in the Demcoratic Party platform as well.

Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com

Steven Waldman
October 1, 2008 12:05 PM

Steve,

To take your last point first, I wrote extensively at the time about the Democrats removal of "safe, legal and rare" and other instances in which I think the Democrats are being inconsistent or hypocritical. However, I do not view my role as ONLY criticizing Democrats. I'm trying to point out the flaws in both parties.

"Next, the platform calls for a human life amendment that protects the right to life of unborn children and doesn't atually say whether exceptions should or shouldn't be a part of that amendment -- so you're technically wrong on that point."

--As you know, McCain previously had pushed for a rape and incest exception but dropped that request before the platform commitee.
Steve, I'm curious, do you agree with poster Henry Clay that the Human Life Amendment woudln't actually ban abortion. Do you agree?

"You're also wrong saying that encouraging women who have been victimized by sexual abuse to keep their baby is not a pro-life position. The opposite is encouraging them to have an abortion. Is that what you think we support?"
--No. For years, Pro-life advocates have mocked those Democrats who said 'i'd discourage abortion on a personal level but think the decision should be up to the woman.' Pro-life folks have argued that a "pro choice/pro-life" position like that was an immoral contradiction. You've argued that the internally consistent pro-life position is BOTH -- i.e. you encourage the woman to 'choose life' AND you work to make abortion illegal. Palin either doesn't believe the latter or, more likely, just doesn't want to remind voters of that because she's trying to reach out to pro-choice voters. Steve, why do you think she won't mention the second half of the formulation?

Roger Robins
October 1, 2008 12:25 PM

I'm disappointed that Couric (and you) continue to misrepresent Barak Obama's position on abortions that result in late-term live births. Factcheck.org has done a couple of stories on this, and while Obama has not always been consistent in explaining his voting record, he has clearly affirmed his support for medical care for infants born live as a result of an abortion, and has consistently declared his support for the existing Illinois stature that mandates medical care in such cases.

This excerpt from the first factcheck.org article is relevant:

A Matter of Definition

The documents from the NRLC support the group’s claims that Obama is misrepresenting the contents of SB 1082. But does this mean – as some, like anti-abortion crusader Jill Stanek, have claimed – that he supports infanticide?

In discussions of abortion rights, definitions are critically important. The main bills under discussion, SB 1082 and the federal BAIPA, are both definition bills. They are not about what can and should be done to babies; they are about how one defines "baby" in the first place. Those who believe that human life begins at conception or soon after can argue that even a fetus with no chance of surviving outside the womb is an "infant." We won't try to settle that one.

What we can say is that many other people – perhaps most – think of "infanticide" as the killing of an infant that would otherwise live. And there are already laws in Illinois, which Obama has said he supports, that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion. Illinois compiled statute 720 ILCS 510/6 states that physicians performing abortions when the fetus is viable must use the procedure most likely to preserve the fetus' life; must be attended by another physician who can care for a born-alive infant; and must "exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion." Failure to do any of the above is considered a felony. NRLC calls this law "loophole-ridden."

Warren Cheswick
October 1, 2008 1:08 PM

So sick of LifeNews.com, Righttolife, etc.

Charles Cosimano
October 1, 2008 2:32 PM

If the economy continues to be an issue, this whole matter will be moot by next summer after the FOCA becomes law because right now it does not look like there will be enough Republicans left in the Senate to even mount a filibuster on the matter.

tim
October 1, 2008 2:35 PM

Obama -- and certainly not the Democratic Party platform -- does NOT talk about abortion reduction. He talks about reducing unwanted pregnancies. There is a difference. An abortion reduction strategy promotes parental consent and other restrictions that make abortions harder to get. An unwanted-pregnancy reduction strategy provides the education and services that enable women not to get pregnant in the first place. Done right, the latter strategy would do more to reduce abortions than an abortion-reduction strategy. But you are right that Palin is, in her incoherent way, endorsing a pro-choice position -- not pro-abortion, as ridiculously asserted by Steven Ertelt.

Henry Clay
October 1, 2008 3:17 PM

I am waiting for textual evidence as to the FALSE claim that the Republican Platform would ban ALL abortions, as opposed to endorse "a human life amendment" -- the content of which is DELIBERATELY undefined. It doesn't say "the" human life amendment. It doesn't say "ban abortions." It says pass "a" human life amendment.

Please just read it: http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/Values.htm#5

John McCain didn't need to ask for 'exceptions' because it wasn't necessary. This is a canard peddled by those who want to make the Republican party position seem more extreme than it is. The question of what an amendment would look like is left to the legislative process. Again, go to wikipedia (as just one source) to see the various different meanings of "human life amendment."

Brian Purcell
October 1, 2008 4:14 PM

As I watched the edited version of Palin's interview yesterday, she basically stated my personal view on abortion, and I consider myself pro-choice. Reading the full text you have here confirmed it. It is idiotic to think that all or most pro-choice people are pro-abortion. There are certainly some in the pro-choice side who are strongly pro-abortion, but I believe the vast majority would be in the "I wouldn't tell anyone to get an abortion, but I don't think they should go to jail for it" opinion. The whole point of pro-choice is you can choose yes or you can choose no.

Danielle
October 1, 2008 4:36 PM

Wow... this exchange is one of the only exchanges she had with Couric that fully made sense and is something that a lot of folks would be on board with. It's too bad that she can't be this articulate and knowledgeable about foreign policy and the economy.

Sheri
October 1, 2008 11:58 PM

Both Palin and McCain have continually made evasive and changing statements on abortion. They are politicians trying to get elected.

Palin's statements have been parroting McCain's statement about letting it be a state decision. If they are really against abortion, they would take an active stance to make it illegal.

McCain/Palin are following in the footsteps of Ronald Reagan and George W Bush, make promises to end abortion, but do nothing once elected.

FactFinder44
October 2, 2008 1:03 AM

Palin erroneously said that the Vice President does not make law. She should have known, if she is truly qualified to assume the post of Vice President and possibly President, that the Vice President presides over the Senate and casts the deciding vote in the case of a tie.

Paul
October 2, 2008 2:31 AM

Fortunately the deliberately vague content of a "human life" amendment doesn't need to be dissected, nor does it matter if Sarah Palin gets nailed down on her views on abortion law.

First of all, if McCain is elected, Palin is going to spend the next four years cutting ribbons and supervising the Easter Egg Roll on the Whitehouse lawn. Her views are so antithetical to McCain's, and she has so little to contribute, that he is going to give her no slack whatsoever. She's there to energize the right-wing base, but they're deluding themselves if they think she's more than that.

Second of all, McCain isn't getting elected. He had little chance to start with, and his campaign is self-destructing as we speak. The Whitehouse is lost. At this point the best republicans can hope for is to hold the democrats to less than 60 seats in the senate. Palin will be a footnote in history, not the warrior goddess of the culture wars her base are praying for.

Third of all, the culture wars have long been lost. Roe V Wade is 35 years old now. Creationism has been tossed out of the schools, and so has Intelligent Design. When Roe V Wade was fought gay marriage wasn't even a concept. Today it's the front line, and the right wing is inexorably losing ground. America significantly lags the developed world (and even Russia and China) on cultural issues, but it's on the same path. Note only is Palin on her way into history's dustbin, so is the evangelical right.

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