Steven Waldman

Teddy Roosevelt, "Socialist" Advocate of Progressive Taxation

Thursday October 16, 2008

On Good Morning America, Joe the Plumber said that it was unfair for someone to have to pay more just because they make more. He called it "socialist," as do many conservatives. John McCain objected to this spreading the wealth...
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Maplewood
October 16, 2008 12:31 PM

1% of the US population owned 25% of the wealth in the late 70's. Today, they own 40% of the wealth.

A larger 20% of us own 85% of the wealth. The other 80% of us get to divvy up the remaining 15%.

Somethin' aint right around here, and it ain't my math.

It's our tax structure and so-called "free enterprise system". Even Teddy could see that 100 years ago. Most economists will tell you that a grossly dissparate distribution of wealth drags an economy down, not up. Things must change before we start marching on DC with pitchforks and torches.

MarcM
October 16, 2008 2:51 PM

Imagine that...a Teddy Roosevelt who would be run out of today's Republican Party for being a socialist. Go figure!

Bruce
October 16, 2008 5:12 PM

Here is how the government can make a lot of money, by make I mean steal! Adopt a national sales tax, then lay off the IRS, or at least reduce it by a factor of 90%. Now drop the income tax, and I'm pretty sure you would have your, steal from the rich mentality still in effect. How? Well, since I don't buy $100K cars, nor do I spend exuberant amounts of money on clothes and jewelry I would pay less in taxes. The rich, however with their fancy cars that they don't drive and the boats and yachts would in turn pay a lot in taxes. Furthermore, the drug dealer who currently makes millions selling crap on the streets would also end up paying their fair share. The shady fly by night wannabe construction worker would also end up paying their fair share.

The problem is today everyone wants a hand out.

Your Name
October 16, 2008 5:55 PM

The Rich corporations rip off everyone else.
I have no problem with the richest in America being taxed.
How many multi-million dollar americans get that way thru honest work?

Christopher Hughes
October 20, 2008 10:33 AM

Thanks, Steven, for posting this. I've linked to it on TPM and my.BarackObama.com.

Bruce, go read up on progressive taxation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_taxation

Cheers,

Paul
October 21, 2008 10:11 AM

Thanks for this post, Steven Waldman. I was Googling for just this type of information when I found your post. Other things I think we cannot avoid taking into account, I think, are the facts that a number of wealthy families made their fortunes through government contracts during wartimes, and many others have benefited from loopholes and other government actions on their behalf. In other words, the free market, as John Sidney McCain III has to know, is not always free. How sad to see him depart yet once again from one of his role models.

(BTW, now that we seen have Colin Polin endorse Barack Obama, I am wondering if Meg Whitman has endorsed anyone. Recall that those two, in addition to Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), were the three people Sen. McCain said at the Saddlebrook Forum that he would turn to for advice in a McCain White House.)

Stewart
October 22, 2008 10:32 AM

Don't forget that Teddy Roosevelt, the claimed hero and supposed inspiration of so many conservative Republicans, left the Republican party in disgust to form the Progressive ("Bull Moose") party. He was not only the last great Republican president, but the last of the liberal Republicans.

bernie
October 25, 2008 1:07 AM
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Interesting to read that so many leftists like to think that 99.99% of the millions of millionaires in this country made their money by profiting from warmongering or dishonest work. Makes it easier to steal from them, eh?

This is how losers view the world, that they would have more money if not for the rich, as if there were a fixed pot of gold in the universe and the wealthy merely bogarted it all for themselves.

BTW, I linked to your article from mine, Lewis Diuguid is an Idiot

Richard Bennett
October 27, 2008 10:58 AM

Thank You! Steven, this is a great posting; I welcome your comments.

john krieger
October 31, 2008 1:33 PM

I am not sure what is trying to be proved here. In using teddy as an example of a socialist one ignores his comments about no welfare but to earn your own way. Teddy use of money ws not to "spread the wealth" but to more reasonably distribute the ligitiamte costs of government and that governments role was to provide equal opportunity for all.

john

Robert Williams
November 2, 2008 2:24 PM

Thank you Steve! If Teddy Roosevelt and Abe Lincoln were alive today, does anyone truly believe they would agree with most of the tenents of the current republican party. The true republican party is a party for minorities, reformers and progressives. Its very sad to see this great party started by abolitionist being taken over by the christian conservatives and the neo-conservatives.

I am a African American who would love to one day be able to support the Republican Party just like my ancestors did in the 19 century before the party turned its back on it's roots and adopted the christian conservative ideology from the democratic party of old.

Please read my blog
http://www.christianconservkillingamerica.blogspot.com/

Wayne Vignes
August 26, 2009 9:13 PM

For Bernie: I've heard this nonsense that "Our Society is not a (financial) zero sum game!" It was from Neil Bortz (spell?) as I recall. How sophmoric to suggest that essentially everyone can be a doctor, a lawyer, engineer and you get the picture. Career opportunities are very limited and this becomes proportional to population size i.e. more toilets means more toilets breaking, more plumbers needed and alot more crap to dispose of.

You may want to recall that Europeans not only fled religious persecution wanting such freedoms, but we seem to have forgotten (as a People) that in much greater numbers despite the historical myths, they left behind lands with limited to no opportunities to buy a piece of land to live on, attend a decent or ANY school, afford a doctor when needed, or even find enough meaningful work to feed themselves somewhat reliably year round.

I leave you with one example, of thousands around the world. Nigeria is and has been a country with tremendous oil and mineral wealth, it has been extracted for many years now. A handful of priveleged Nigerians and non-Nationals own this wealth--nearly all of it and the power to perpetuate that same wealth and power generation after generation--their choice entirely.

Now I'm sure some "compassionate conservative" pundit would offer the "It's not a zero sum game" and I would point out that greed, like alcoholism is denied by the afflicted, and regularly by countering with any deceptions necessary. But in the end I ask you who is really being deceived? Overall, if you're a survival-of-the-fittest thinker then nothing else matters but accumulating as much as possible. Just remember that holding such beliefs means you can't complain when someone more powerful decides to take all that you have simply because they can and want to, perhaps with similar deceptions or even a club over the head.

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