The Truth About Contraceptives Stimulating the Economy
Tuesday January 27, 2009
I'm depressed about this whole flap over contraceptives being in the stimulus package. It reflects much about what's wrong with politics and policymaking in Washington. Here are my top three reasons to be depressed: 1) Democrats are still not committed...
So instead of criticizing Pelosi for making the comment that fewer children=better economy, you criticize those who pointed out how callous it was. Ridiculous!
N.M.
January 27, 2009 2:55 PM
You contradicted yourself.
In your first point, you are "depressed" because you conflate support for family planning with subsidies for abortion.
In your third point, you are "depressed" because people conflate support for family planning with subsidies for abortion.
I take it you are depressing yourself?
To be perfectly blunt, I don't know whether you are woefully ignorant - in which case you should not write about these topics - or deliberately mendacious. You write: "On the other hand, the pro-family-planning folks have never, as far as I know, come up with a way of promoting family planning services that wouldn't also lead to indirectly subsidizing abortion. And since they support direct federal funding for abortions, the pro-life forces are not wrong to fear some of this money will end up promoting abortion."
No federal money pays for abortion. Medicaid does not cover abortion. Family planning providers are required by law to keep their federal funding for family planning services - fee-for-service funding - separate from anything that has to do with abortion. What else do you want?
Seriously. What else do you want? If you can't articulate what policy you'd like to see that would keep abortion "subsidies" more separate from federal reimbursement for services providing contraceptive information and supplies to low-income women, don't blame anyone else for not dreaming it up.
This post illustrates to me the extent to which one must abandon logic and realism in order to support the position the GOP has staked out. You have literally contradicted yourself and demanded policy provisions you yourself cannot imagine.
And all to maintain your self-satisfied, oh-so-"reasonable" position in the "common ground." Once again, the base instinct to stroke one's own ego trumps both the public interest and common sense.
PS. I am morally opposed to my tax dollars being used to subsidize the capital punishment, which I view as immoral and deeply offensive to my faith. Until the federal government finds a way to separate my tax money from the execution (so to speak) of this policy, I demand the right to withhold my tax payments. I look forward to you advocacy on my behalf.
Charles Cosimano
January 27, 2009 7:53 PM
Fewer children are better for the economy. Children, until they can work, are an economic burden. Schools cost money. Parents spend money on basic necessities that would be better spent on consumer goods creating more jobs. Combine that with the medical costs of early childhood diseases, taking valuable resources better spent on the elderly who can spend money and help keep the ecomony going and yes, children are an economic drag and child-bearing should be discouraged.
Julie
January 27, 2009 11:37 PM
The article is confusing because it seems to argue both sides of the points. It seems to me the birth control is part of Obama's statements about reducing abortions.
I doubt Pelosi wants less babies. Nancy Pelosi's desire for contraceptives being in the stimulus package has practical benefits. Anyone receiving Medicaid is extremely low income. The current cost for birth controls pills is $50 or more a month, which is a considerable amount for someone already living at poverty level.
While taxpayers would not pay for birth control pills, we would pay for the birth of the baby. Women at poverty level have a higher rate of babies with problems. The babies are likely to grow up with physical or mental issues. They are more likely to need special education classes. Long story short, the cycle of poverty is likely to continue.
If the woman has a low paying job without health insurance, the woman and her baby will end up at emergency rooms for medical care.
I am surprised about that the current spending on family planning/contraception in Medicare being 1.3 billion. Unless the laws have changed, individuals on Medicare have to qualify for social security, which means they are 62 and above or disabled. It would be interesting to see a breakout of who is receiving family planning/contraception through Medicare.
The federal government gives states money for many different programs. There are controls and auditors from HHS's Office of Inspector General for Medicaid and USDA's Office of Inspector General for food stamps reviewing the programs. The audit structure is already established. Hopefully Congress has learned from giving the banks big money without controls.
Julie
January 28, 2009 3:30 PM
Family planning that Obama may be cutting would have saved the federal government $200 million over five years by helping women voluntarily avoid pregnancies that otherwise would result in Medicaid-funded births. $200 million from a Congressional Budget Office assessment in 2007.
Call members of Congress, especially Republicans
The United Methodist General Board of Church and Society
Action Alert: Possible cuts to family planning in stimulus package Please call the White House immediately and ask President Obama not to cut family planning funds in the stimulus package!
Call the White House today at 202-456-1414. You can also leave a comment online at www.whitehouse.gov/contact.
To cut these funds is short sighted and will hurt women, men and families and will reduce opportunities for economic recovery.
Supporters of this funding cut question the relevancy of including these funds in an economic stimulus package. Ironically, when the Congressional Budget Office assessed a virtually identical provision in 2007, it found that it would save the federal government $200 million over five years by helping women voluntarily avoid pregnancies that otherwise would result in Medicaid-funded births. The money saved could be spent for job creation.
Chris Cook
February 10, 2009 9:48 AM
What ever happened to no compromise in the area of sin? Have we as a country become so calloused that we no longer break and weep at the thoughts of our hard earned dollars having even the possibility of being used to fund abortions. How could we have strayed so far as to look upon these pure, innocent children, and speak words against them just as Hitler did the Jewish people? He didn't "kill" them rather he "purged society" of their presence. We don't "kill babies", rather we "abort fetuses". God have mercy upon us.
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So instead of criticizing Pelosi for making the comment that fewer children=better economy, you criticize those who pointed out how callous it was. Ridiculous!
You contradicted yourself.
In your first point, you are "depressed" because you conflate support for family planning with subsidies for abortion.
In your third point, you are "depressed" because people conflate support for family planning with subsidies for abortion.
I take it you are depressing yourself?
To be perfectly blunt, I don't know whether you are woefully ignorant - in which case you should not write about these topics - or deliberately mendacious. You write: "On the other hand, the pro-family-planning folks have never, as far as I know, come up with a way of promoting family planning services that wouldn't also lead to indirectly subsidizing abortion. And since they support direct federal funding for abortions, the pro-life forces are not wrong to fear some of this money will end up promoting abortion."
No federal money pays for abortion. Medicaid does not cover abortion. Family planning providers are required by law to keep their federal funding for family planning services - fee-for-service funding - separate from anything that has to do with abortion. What else do you want?
Seriously. What else do you want? If you can't articulate what policy you'd like to see that would keep abortion "subsidies" more separate from federal reimbursement for services providing contraceptive information and supplies to low-income women, don't blame anyone else for not dreaming it up.
This post illustrates to me the extent to which one must abandon logic and realism in order to support the position the GOP has staked out. You have literally contradicted yourself and demanded policy provisions you yourself cannot imagine.
And all to maintain your self-satisfied, oh-so-"reasonable" position in the "common ground." Once again, the base instinct to stroke one's own ego trumps both the public interest and common sense.
PS. I am morally opposed to my tax dollars being used to subsidize the capital punishment, which I view as immoral and deeply offensive to my faith. Until the federal government finds a way to separate my tax money from the execution (so to speak) of this policy, I demand the right to withhold my tax payments. I look forward to you advocacy on my behalf.
Fewer children are better for the economy. Children, until they can work, are an economic burden. Schools cost money. Parents spend money on basic necessities that would be better spent on consumer goods creating more jobs. Combine that with the medical costs of early childhood diseases, taking valuable resources better spent on the elderly who can spend money and help keep the ecomony going and yes, children are an economic drag and child-bearing should be discouraged.
The article is confusing because it seems to argue both sides of the points. It seems to me the birth control is part of Obama's statements about reducing abortions.
I doubt Pelosi wants less babies. Nancy Pelosi's desire for contraceptives being in the stimulus package has practical benefits. Anyone receiving Medicaid is extremely low income. The current cost for birth controls pills is $50 or more a month, which is a considerable amount for someone already living at poverty level.
While taxpayers would not pay for birth control pills, we would pay for the birth of the baby. Women at poverty level have a higher rate of babies with problems. The babies are likely to grow up with physical or mental issues. They are more likely to need special education classes. Long story short, the cycle of poverty is likely to continue.
If the woman has a low paying job without health insurance, the woman and her baby will end up at emergency rooms for medical care.
I am surprised about that the current spending on family planning/contraception in Medicare being 1.3 billion. Unless the laws have changed, individuals on Medicare have to qualify for social security, which means they are 62 and above or disabled. It would be interesting to see a breakout of who is receiving family planning/contraception through Medicare.
The federal government gives states money for many different programs. There are controls and auditors from HHS's Office of Inspector General for Medicaid and USDA's Office of Inspector General for food stamps reviewing the programs. The audit structure is already established. Hopefully Congress has learned from giving the banks big money without controls.
Family planning that Obama may be cutting would have saved the federal government $200 million over five years by helping women voluntarily avoid pregnancies that otherwise would result in Medicaid-funded births. $200 million from a Congressional Budget Office assessment in 2007.
Call members of Congress, especially Republicans
The United Methodist General Board of Church and Society
Action Alert: Possible cuts to family planning in stimulus package Please call the White House immediately and ask President Obama not to cut family planning funds in the stimulus package!
Call the White House today at 202-456-1414. You can also leave a comment online at www.whitehouse.gov/contact.
To cut these funds is short sighted and will hurt women, men and families and will reduce opportunities for economic recovery.
Supporters of this funding cut question the relevancy of including these funds in an economic stimulus package. Ironically, when the Congressional Budget Office assessed a virtually identical provision in 2007, it found that it would save the federal government $200 million over five years by helping women voluntarily avoid pregnancies that otherwise would result in Medicaid-funded births. The money saved could be spent for job creation.
What ever happened to no compromise in the area of sin? Have we as a country become so calloused that we no longer break and weep at the thoughts of our hard earned dollars having even the possibility of being used to fund abortions. How could we have strayed so far as to look upon these pure, innocent children, and speak words against them just as Hitler did the Jewish people? He didn't "kill" them rather he "purged society" of their presence. We don't "kill babies", rather we "abort fetuses". God have mercy upon us.
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