A Reiki Practitioner Vs. The Catholic Church: Reiki Healing Uses God's Love
Saturday March 28, 2009
A reader who says she's a Reiki practitioner disputes the Catholic Bishops' contention that, while Christian prayer calls on the divine, Reiki amounts to mere human manipulation of the body: "I will tell you, I have asked God for a...
More proof that the RCC isn't as wise as they would like people to believe. The RCC hates to lose control and loves to make pronouncements on what a RC can and cannot do. I have no reason to doubt the poster's statement. Others have said that Reiki has helped them.
Robert
March 28, 2009 11:27 PM
And, to be fair, I have known people who were healed after praying to the Virgin Mary.
Perhaps she was sending them a Reiki treatment.
Your Name
March 29, 2009 7:40 AM
I am a practitioner and teacher of Reiki. I am also a committed Christian. I often refer to Reiki as Prayer In Action. There is a strong Christian tradition of the "laying on of hands" within. What makes the RC Bishops think that God restricted this tradition only to Christians? My belief/experience indicates to me that the Reiki experience is a spiritual one. It isn't religious/denominational.
Also, the short article I read indicated that these Bishops are of the opinion that Reiki is manipulated/directed by the practitioner, and this is not the case. You can hope that the disease for which the person seeks help is the one that responds, but it is always the area that needs assistance that responds first (and that might be emotional, or something apparently minor, or simply a relief of pain if indeed it is the time for someone to pass away).
Reiki (two words in Japanese), can be translated as "God Energy". Mikao Usui, founder of Reiki, had an experience of enlightenment, that in its description, is so much akin to the pentecost experience of the gift of the Holy Spirit, you would think it was from the same Source (and who's to say it wasn't?) It is pure arrogance to believe that the Roman Catholic way is the only way.
The RC Bishops may choose to discriminate in terms of who can (and can't) lay hands on and ask for healing, but God doesn't. "You shall know them by their works". Visit www.christianreiki.org for a Christian perspective.
By the way - I live in Australia and Reiki was brought here by an American Christian Minister, the Rev. Beth Gray.
I also dispute the contention that there is no evidence of Reiki's efficacy - I can name a number of studies that indicate positive results when Reiki has been applied. References can be supplied if anyone is interested...
The only thing I ask - please be open minded.
Bob
March 29, 2009 9:33 AM
So we Catholics should ignore the bishops (the guys with the years of theological training, ordained by the power of the Holy Spirit, links in the great chain of apostolic succession) and listen to this Beliefnet reader instead?
"Reiki is channeling Love energy from the Divine Source."
As Catholics, we have the Sacraments as instruments of God's grace. If you want healing, ask for the Anointing of the Sick. What do you think we have it for?
"RCC... loves to make pronouncements on what a RC can and cannot do.
An organization shouldn't have a say in guiding its members? Interesting...
I sure would appreciate it if fellow Catholics payed more attention in CCD so they would know what why things like Reiki are incompatible with Catholic theology. And I'd really appreciate it if non-Catholics minded their own business.
Carla
March 29, 2009 9:56 AM
I am Catholic and a Reiki Master. It is true that this is a Catholic Religion matter. It is not a matter of faith just religion. I put my faith in God and not in the twisted words that the Bishops spit out. They have made errors in the past and refuted their own statements that were previously made. This document is non-dogmatic and I will follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit continue to practice Reiki to heal others.
Dharmashaiva
March 29, 2009 12:05 PM
http://www.oca.org
I'm curious. What's to prevent a Catholic from learning Reiki, and then practice it, but call it "Prayer"?
Gwyddion9
March 29, 2009 3:08 PM
Actually, Dr. Usui wanted to heal like Christ and thought why can’t I do this.
So after much meditation, was lead to his understanding of Reiki and of what Reiki actually is, a universal healing energy that is independent and a force of its own in the Universe, which can not be used for personal or selfish gain and more importantly, it is something that is not tied to any religion or religious beliefs.
ALSO, the idea that Dr. Usui was Christian was something said to make Reiki more palatable to Christians. There is nothing that suggests Christianity in his teachings however, it is possible that he may have embraced Christianity for a brief period when he as doing his soul searching.
Reiki is a wonderful source of healing and is a benefit and blessing to all who use it or have used its healing energies to heal others. It is simply another method that can be used to bring healing into the lives of others with compassion and love.
A wonderful book on this subject as well as Dr. Usui,
Reiki Fire by Frank Arjava Petter
ISBN # 0-914955-50-0
pagansister
March 29, 2009 4:07 PM
So glad that the RCC thinks they know everything! Why does this (and some other treatments) scare them so much?? Are they afraid they might lose some more members because of Reiki? They are losing members but not because of that....or maybe it IS because of some of the ridiculous rules. Basicly they say don't go and get relief from pain, stress etc. UNLESS it is OK'd by them?
Carla, good to know that you have no conflict with your religion and being a Reiki Master. It's a shame some others can't see that there is no comflict.
Mr. Incredible
March 29, 2009 5:21 PM
==. God loves you and when you ask for something to help others, God will bless you with it.... I will tell you from experience, the deeper and harder you pray from the heart while using reiki to help someone, the stronger the strength of the energy. ==
Sooo, if I use this to help somebody rob a bank, God helps me?????
No, of course.
If you ask God, according to His Will, He will help you help others WITH HIS WILL. Otherwise, you ask amiss.
Mr. Incredible
March 29, 2009 5:24 PM
==Reiki is a wonderful source of healing and is a benefit and blessing to all who use it or have used its healing energies to heal others. It is simply another method that can be used to bring healing into the lives of others with compassion and love.==
Just so much hokus-pokus. Just a bunch-a voodoo.
So, I guess Jesus was lying when He said that He is the ONLY Way to the Father. Is THAT it?
Mr. Incredible
March 29, 2009 5:28 PM
==Are they afraid they might lose some more members because of Reiki?==
Christianity is not a club. It doesn't recruit members.
==They are losing members...==
They are not losing "members."
Mr. Incredible
March 29, 2009 5:32 PM
==Others have said that Reiki has helped them. ==
Sure, a lotta people say a lotta things help them. So, they deny that God, through Christ, helps the most. Now what?
Mr. Incredible
March 29, 2009 5:37 PM
==I am a practitioner and teacher of Reiki. I am also a committed Christian.==
Can't be both. You're either hot, or cold.
So, was Jesus lying when He said,
(Joh 15:3) Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
(Joh 14:6) ...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Mr. Incredible
March 29, 2009 5:47 PM
==I have asked God for a reiki attunement ...==
"Attunement"? "ATTUNEMENT"????
This is a joke, isn't it. It's a pre-April Fool's Day joke, huh, and the "reikists," or, "reikibots," or, "reikiettes," or, "reikiistas," or whatever, are havin' a laugh on everybody. Yeah. That's gotta be it cuz this REALLY can't be serious.
wooOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOO!
Gwyddion9
March 29, 2009 6:54 PM
So, Mr. Incredible-
You know exactly what about Reiki…I’ll take $2000.00 for knows exactly nothing, Alex.
If you choose to believe in Jesus, good for you, I hope it works for you.
Reiki IS a wonderful source of healing, that’s what, it’s for.
If you see it as hocus-pocus or voodoo, that’s you’re opinion, like your religion and your god.
Personally, if Jesus lies or not doesn’t mean anything to me, since I’m not Christian nor do I believe in him. There’s no reason that I should want to believe in your religion. Besides, you do a bang up job of showing others and myself why I wouldn’t want to be Christian. You, come on to a discussion, vomit your beliefs and condemnation of everything or one not of your faith, thinking you’ve done everyone a service but more than likely turned everyone away.
==Others have said that Reiki has helped them. ==
Sure, a lotta people say a lotta things help them. So, they deny that God, through Christ, helps the most. Now what?
No one here has stated this, it’s purely you’re assumption and opinion. You’re still trying to put words in people’s mouths, still trying to create issues where there is none.
== This is a joke, isn't it. It's a pre-April Fool's Day joke, huh, and the "reikists," or, "reikibots," or, "reikiettes," or, "reikiistas," or whatever, are havin' a laugh on everybody. Yeah. That's gotta be it cuz this REALLY can't be serious.==
And the word for you is Christ Cult, American Taliban & Religious Reich. I know you won’t be offended, as you like to dish it out so of course you can take it.
Mr. Incredible
March 29, 2009 7:17 PM
==You know exactly what about Reiki…==
I know that it isn't about Christ.
==Reiki IS a wonderful source of healing, that’s what, it’s for.==
Christ is the only healing we need, not some made-up, mystical BS voodoo like this.
==If you see it as hocus-pocus or voodoo, that’s you’re opinion, like your religion and your god.==
I don't have a "god." I got God. You don't know the difference.
==Personally, if Jesus lies or not doesn’t mean anything to me, since I’m not Christian nor do I believe in him.==
Just for the record, for future reference, He would like to know whether you believe He's a liar, nor not. Just for the record. You're not afraid to go on the record with it, are you?
== There’s no reason that I should want to believe in your religion.==
I have no religion. I got relationship. Again, you don't know the difference.
==Besides, you do a bang up job of showing others and myself why I wouldn’t want to be Christian.==
You decided trhat a long time ago, before I got here.
Anyway, take responsibility for yourself. I'm not responsible for your choosing not to be Christian.
== You, come on to a discussion, vomit your beliefs and condemnation ...==
I condemn no one who hasn't condemned themselves.
==...of everything or one not of your faith, thinking you’ve done everyone a service but more than likely turned everyone away. ==
I don't have the power to trurn anybody away. They choose to turn away.
==/==Others have said that Reiki has helped them. ==
Sure, a lotta people say a lotta things help them. So, they deny that God, through Christ, helps the most. Now what?
No one here has stated this, it’s purely you’re assumption and opinion. ==
They have said that this voodoo has helped them. That means that they reject God's help cuz god says that He is the ONLY Way to Health.
==You’re still trying to put words in people’s mouths...==
No, I'm not.
==... still trying to create issues where there is none.==
You'd like to think there are no issues so that you wouldn't be challenged.
==/== This is a joke, isn't it. It's a pre-April Fool's Day joke, huh, and the "reikists," or, "reikibots," or, "reikiettes," or, "reikiistas," or whatever, are havin' a laugh on everybody. Yeah. That's gotta be it cuz this REALLY can't be serious.==
And the word for you is Christ Cult...==
You don't offend, nor hurt me.
==... American Taliban...==
Again, you don't hurt me.
==... & Religious Reich.==
You got those from Lib Mafia websites, huh.
== I know you won’t be offended...==
Yup. Romans 8:1 {KJV]
== ...as you like to dish it out...==
Just like everybody else.
==... so of course you can take it.==
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
I've had no problem.
Mr. Incredible
March 29, 2009 7:18 PM
"Attunement." Indeed.
pagansister
March 29, 2009 7:28 PM
"I", "No they are not losing "members".
Gee, then I guess that all the reports of churches closing, and RCC schools closing is because they have too many members, huh? Of course part of (but no all of) the loss of churches and schools is because of all the money the RCC is having to spend to pay for the child abuse suits, but that's another story. I live in what once was a predominately RCC state. Membership, schools and churches are closing. But I'm sure you disagree. :o) No problem
Blesses Be
llhaesa
March 29, 2009 9:08 PM
http://llhaesa.org/
>>Christ is the only healing we need, not some made-up, mystical BS voodoo like this.
Comments like this sadden me.
In the end, we all operate with faith, something that is intangible, but we feel and connect in various ways.
If that is through Jesus and the various Christian denominations that exist in His name, fine... that it works for those who follow works for me.
Reiki is non-denominational, anyone of any faith can be a Reiki practitioner; it goes quite well with any faith, and who one connects with in Reiki can very much be of the person's faith.
It is foolish to suggest that any given faith is true and all others are pretenders or are described in some devaluing way.
I am quite certain that Jesus would be troubled by anyone acting in a way that put down the faith or belief of any other, given most often those other beliefs help connect someone to a place that should be of light and love, of treating each other with respect and kindness.
When one posts things of this nature, it seems to mock the faith they purport to hold dear.
The Catholic Bishops err in the view, just as the Church has erred in other specific issues over the past month or two, and that is sad to see.
Shall we find our way to coexistence and respect for one another, or should we consign our spirituality to dissing that of others?
Your Name
March 29, 2009 9:36 PM
Reiki was explained to me as the laying on of hands for healing - which is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.As such, it is of God and should be seen that way. After all, God works in many mysterious ways and those ways are not always known to us.
Amy
March 30, 2009 1:07 AM
The word god means 'clay image'...
Reiki means 'universal spirit'...
We are all here to help each other and if we are helping others, that is the most important, not some foolish dogma that priests/orgs/establishments adhere to...
Keep worshiping sun gods and see how far it gets you...I myself believe in love and practice it....
'Amen' at the end of your prayers really is an Egyptian god...
Do the research and see for yourself
goole Astrotheology
Love, Harmony & Healing
Your Name
March 30, 2009 1:37 AM
I wrote the comment earlier about being a committed Christian and Reiki Teacher/Practitioner. I am very saddened by the lack of compassion and tolerance being displayed by Mr Incredible.
Mikao Usui, the founder of Reiki, asked those who chose to use his system to include the following ideals into how they deal with people:
Do not worry
Do not anger
Honour your elders and earn your living honestly
Show gratitude
Show compassion
These sit perfectly well with my understanding of the Bible and Christ's teachings in particular.
So Mr Incredible, I am not angered by your comments, I am not worried by your comments, I continue to honour those in the community who behave with integrity and honesty, I show gratitude daily and express it to those from whom I learn (including learning from these posts - thank you to the contributors of whatever faith), and I feel compassion towards all, including you.
I prayed for guidance when I first used Reiki in order to treat a long standing injury. I believe God cured me - and that the Reiki practitioner was simply the treatment provider. Just as when I seek assistance from a medical doctor, I believe God cured me, and the doctor was a treatment provider.
When that "still small voice" that I have been listening to every day for the last 43 years(and making decisions accordingly), tells me that Reiki is wrong, then I will cease to practise it.
Panthera
March 30, 2009 8:52 AM
Your Name
March 30, 2009 1:37 AM
What a loving, considered, thoughtful post.
I sometimes ask myself, do the conservative Christians who read Beliefnet ever notice the difference in tone between postings by - well, I won't name names, but anyone who has been here more often than once or twice knows exactly what I mean - and those of the us who are constantly told we aren't true Christians?
It surely is useful to see the fruits of the spirit around here. On the one hand, you have folks condemning, bearing false witness, saying gays are worse than pedophiles, women are responsible for their own rapes, non-dogmatic positions of Bishop's conferences are binding...
Then you have the genuinely thoughtful conservative Christians asking questions. Not too many, I fear, but they show up occasionally.
I'm a Christian, even if Mr. Incredible, Hugh Henry and all the others commit the heresy of usurping God's authority to themselves. What a pity that, on the one side, people attack me for being a Christian, gay man married to another man. On the other side are people who come to this site, see what sort of folks represent Christianity here and think, wow!
By the by, not to stay ON topic, or anything...one of the courses of treatment offered to terminally ill patients at the cancer care centers run by the Catholic church here in my country is Reiki.
Fascinating. Guess they pay more attention to Rome than the American Bishops, those horrible people - offering relief and comfort to dying people.
Sheesh. The insular arrogance of so many conservative American Christians is just plain frightening.
DML
March 30, 2009 9:24 AM
The Enlightenment has been coming into being for about the last ~300 years by my estimate. Reiki, exorcisms, the laying on of hands, aromatherapy, acupuncture, crawling on your knees, etc. and things of this sort do us no good. Instead, I suggest putting your faith in evidence-based medicine. Actually, the latter practices can harm your health.
It rains on the sinners and the righteous alike after all. Which according to this layman means Jesus was saying that he isn't going to improve our circumstances, health or wealth. Life is going to be fickle and cruel and we will have to deal with things on our own. Even the bishops are smart enough to have good modern health care in case their prayers fail.
Your Name
March 30, 2009 9:26 AM
How can you let someone tell you how to communicate with God. Why is it that you do as you are told like children minding their parents. Are you afraid to think and feel and believe in something greater and stronger than a man made religion. Why do you need someone to tell how and what to do and believe?
How can you judge something you've never experienced? How can you say Reiki is wrong when anyone that has experienced it knows that it is pure unconditional love from where else-the Divine. In the bible Jesus says--even you will do greater miracles than these. Reiki practitioners come from a place of love, what is wrong with that. Their hearts are full of love. How do you know that the healers were not put here by God to help the ones that need it-not to control others. Geez folks, wake up. Take some responsibility for your own life.
llhaesa
March 30, 2009 10:21 AM
DML, Reiki is an adjunct to medicine, we work with medical professionals, we do not take their place.
Spirituality and outlook have been shown to aid in healing, and Reiki is but one of many ways one can bring focus to this important element.
It is sad to see those who believe in any given faith condemning those who embrace different elements of spirituality, in this case, one that is not of any religion.
Bob
March 30, 2009 1:09 PM
Carla,
As I mentioned before, if you're a Catholic in need of healing, you have the sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick available to you. It has a biblical foundation and 2000 years of Sacred Tradition behind it:
James 5:14, Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
So number one, there's just no need for Reiki of you're Catholic. Number 2, the bishops are making their pronouncements based on years of theological study and training, and they are happy to provide the reasoning behind their decisions. As a Catholic, you have to trust that they know what they're talking about, along with exercising your own reason and logic as informed by the Tradition you're part of.
If you can't (or won't) do that, then maybe it's time to take a good hard look at why you're a member of the Church in the first place, and see where you're heart really is.
Bob
March 30, 2009 1:20 PM
"The insular arrogance of so many conservative American Christians is just plain frightening."
You know what's truly as arrogant? Assuming your individual interpretation of the Bible is the right one. As Catholics, we don't interpret it as individuals. We interpret scripture as a unified Church that has existed for 2000 years.
As the Sacred Scripture says:
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation (2 Peter 1:20)
and,
"...there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies..." (2 Peter 2:1)
Panthera
March 30, 2009 1:21 PM
Bob,
I just love these 'love it the way I do or leave it' pronouncements. First, it is a sin to entice or harass someone into leaving the Church.
Second, since Reiki is used as a palliative in many Catholic institutions in Europe, you are not only insulting Carla but also quiet a few Catholics of good conscience doing the Lord's work.
How horrible it must be for you that the Bishops in the US may not proclaim your own personal views to be dogma. I suggest you have a little talk with your confessor about this tendency of yours to demand people leave the Church, that would be attending to the state of your soul on a level which is obviously seriously needed.
Panthera
March 30, 2009 1:34 PM
Or, Bob, to put it in simple terms...since when did the Bishop of Rome...his office is but a small distance from me here...abdicate to the US Bishops? I didn't see anything about it in L'Osservatore Romano.
Your arrogance in assuming that your narrow, provincial, uniformed perspective is the one and only true analysis of the Church and her position on this - and many other issues on which you so breezily here pontificate (sic) - is beyond description.
Again, I repeat. Telling people to leave the Church is a sin. Are you a Prince of the Church? If not, then hold your tongue!
llhaesa
March 30, 2009 4:42 PM
Bob,
That is a passive approach, where Reiki practitioners seek an active one. IMO, the Church once again creates a public relations nightmare, just as it did with the excommunication of the doctor and the comments on condoms in Africa.
There is no need for such comments on Reiki. It isn't as if they can prove anything related to their faith. This incessant need to attack that of others is annoying.
pagansister
March 30, 2009 4:54 PM
How is it that a group of RCC leaders find a technique that makes a person physically feel better, can be "bad"? What is better about the "anointing of the sick" that makes it a better procedure? Why is calling on the Universal Energy for help better from a priest than from a Reiki Master?
All holy books, IMO are subject to interpretation, no matter what religion is represents.
DML
March 30, 2009 8:24 PM
Again, to make another plug for modern science, a simple PubMed search led me to an evidence based evaluation of Reiki. It doesn't work. Perhaps a more practical solution, especially for health care providers, is to by compassionate toward those who are sick. At the same time, it would not be appropriate to lend a false sense of hope to these vulnerable people.
Your Name
March 31, 2009 1:35 AM
I am a practising Catholic by choice not born into the Catholic faith but chose to follow their teachings. I have found at certain times a person who may know me or know of me, may say I understand you can heal someone of pain and injury by your hands.
I explain I have done so but it is not me but that of some greater power who seems to allow me to make people feel better.
The question that may be asked have I been trained in Reiki or by a Reiki Master. The answer is no, I dont know anything other than what I have read and I wouldnt know what a Reiki master may look like or what qualification he/she may have.
Another question may arise am I a faith healer the answer is no but for reasons I dont why, I am able from time to time able to assist someone not by touching them, but moving my hands at least six inches away from them with the thought of knowing of their pain and feeling that someone or something is guiding me to help that person.
Call it whatever one may, the ability is not mine but is from a greater power and I am only an assistant when needed
From my comments and experiance it is up to the indivdual to decide be faith, or training from a Reika Master which I know little of.
Panthera
March 31, 2009 10:46 AM
I keep referring to Reiki as a palliative and that is as far as science has gone in analyzing the technique. There is no disprovable theory to account for the purported effects of the treatment, but there is an enormous body of non-scientific reporting as to its usefulness in giving seriously ill patients a sense of having been helped.
And that is reason enough, in my books, to support the Catholic church in Europe in Her offering such palliative support measures to the terminally ill.
Certainly, we should continue to study the matter. But this arrogant, provincial presumption of authority and inciting Catholics of Good Conscience to leave the church because they do not agree with the non-dogmatically binding findings of a group of American bishops is precisely the mentality which gave us the last eight years of shrub and torture, illegal wars, abridgment of Constitutional rights...
We had quite enough of this blind obedience here in Europe a few years back and have learned from our mistakes. Communism is dead, the National Socialists lost the war. But at what a cost! How many were tortured and murdered all in the name of the exact same rigidness some here are advocating.
It is worth bearing in mind that for many decades, those of us active in the natural sciences held Hömopathie for stuff and bunkum. Turns out that, under strict, repeatable, empirical analysis using double blind tests and accepted procedures (ours, not the joke which passes for the FDA thanks to shrub) some hömopathic dilutions do have a clinically relevant effectiveness.
llhaesa
March 31, 2009 12:55 PM
DML, by what measure does it 'not work?'
First of all, that starts with an assumption, which I would guess is the person heals... but healing comes in many ways, not necessarily physical healing.
Bias is pervasive in 'studies' and I suspect that study sought to prove Reiki doesn't work, as well as had inherent mis-assumptions made in the criteria by which they evaluated Reiki.
Even if it achieves nothing beyond giving someone peace of mind, well... I would call that a success, but for some I recognise, the human element should be tossed out the window. I guess they prefer to see someone go from ill to cure in a tangible way.
Mr. Incredible
April 1, 2009 5:18 AM
==>>Christ is the only healing we need, not some made-up, mystical BS voodoo like this.
Comments like this sadden me.==
Get over it.
==In the end, we all operate with faith, something that is intangible...==
Hebrews 11:1 says, however, that faith is substance and evidence.
==Reiki is non-denominational, anyone of any faith can be a Reiki practitioner; it goes quite well with any faith, and who one connects with in Reiki can very much be of the person's faith.==
Voodoo doesn't work with Christianity.
==It is foolish to suggest that any given faith is true...==
So, you're saying that Jesus is the "liar."
==... and all others are pretenders...==
Well, Jesus said that He is the ONLY Way to the Father. If He is the ONLY Way to the Father, and all other ways pretend to be the way.
==I am quite certain that Jesus would be troubled by anyone acting in a way that put down the faith or belief of any other...==
Then, He didn't really mean it went He said that He is the ONLY Way to the Father. We see.
==... given most often those other beliefs help connect someone to a place that should be of light and love, of treating each other with respect and kindness.==
So, what Jesus said is only a suggestion, is THAT it?
==When one posts things of this nature, it seems to mock the faith they purport to hold dear.==
You use the word, "seems." That describes what goes on in YOUR mind, not what's going on outside your mind the way you describe it.
==The Catholic Bishops err in the view, just as the Church has erred in other specific issues over the past month or two, and that is sad to see.==
Translation: "If only others would see things the way I do, everybody would be better off."
==Shall we find our way to coexistence and respect for one another, or should we consign our spirituality to dissing that of others?==
So, your view is that Jesus commanded compromise of His principles, negotiate with the evil in the world. It He compromise and negotiate in the wilderness in Matthew 4:1-11?
==Reiki was explained to me as the laying on of hands for healing - which is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.==
Just another attempt to squeeze in a false religion and make it seem as though it's of God. Of course, it isn't. It's of "the other one."
== As such, it is of God...==
No, it isn't.
==... and should be seen that way. ==
Who says?
== After all, God works in many mysterious ways and those ways are not always known to us.==
However, those who are born again know that they should avoid false religions and false teachers. This voodoo Reiki is a good place to start.
==We are all here to help each other ...==
Help each other do what?
==... and if we are helping others...==
Helping others do what?
==... that is the most important...==
That's not what the Word of God says.
==... not some foolish dogma that priests/orgs/establishments adhere to...==
Jesus predicted that you would say something like that.
==I myself believe in love...==
What kind of "love"?
==... and practice it....==
First, we have to find out what kind of love you wanna practice. Then, we have-ta find out how you wanna practice it.
==...I feel compassion towards all, including you.==
Define "compassion." All that your definition doesn't square with the Word of God, rather with the world.
==I prayed...==
To whom?
==... for guidance...==
From whom?
==... I first used Reiki in order to treat a long standing injury. I believe God cured me...==
So, did you praise the voodoo, or God?
==... - and that the Reiki practitioner was simply the treatment provider. Just as when I seek assistance from a medical doctor, I believe God cured me, and the doctor was a treatment provider.==
So, in one case, you praise the voodoo practitioner, and, in the other case, you praise the medical doctor. Where's the praise for God?
==When that "still small voice" that I have been listening to every day for the last 43 years(and making decisions accordingly), tells me that Reiki is wrong, then I will cease to practise it.==
Because that "still small voice" leads you away from God, it's clear that that "still small voice" is the voice of "the other one."
Mr. Incredible
April 1, 2009 5:41 AM
==On the one hand, you have folks condemning...==
The Word of God says the disobedient have condemned themselves already. We merrily report the fact.
==... bearing false witness...==
Where's the false witness? Who's to say? YOU?
==...Then you have the genuinely thoughtful conservative Christians asking questions.==
Translation: "The genuinely thoughtful conservative Christian is the one who agrees with me."
==I'm a Christian...==
You claim you are homosexual. That offends the Word of God. Therefore, as long as you act out that claim, you can't be a Christian.
==... even if Mr. Incredible, Hugh Henry and all the others commit the heresy of usurping God's authority to themselves. ==
God gave, to those who are born again, the authority to use the Word of God, to report His Message. That we do. Christ gives us authority.
== What a pity that, on the one side, people attack me for being a Christian, gay man married to another man.==
You can't claim to be homosexual and act on that claim AND be Christian.
==The insular arrogance of so many conservative American Christians is just plain frightening.==
Translation: "We need more conservative American Christians to come over to my way of thinking, so I won't be afraid."
==How can you let someone tell you how to communicate with God.==
Cuz there is ONLY One Way to the Father. That is, through His Word.
==How can you judge something you've never experienced? ==
I don't have to be hit by a truck to know it hurts.
== How can you say Reiki is wrong when anyone that has experienced it knows that it is pure unconditional love from where else-the Divine.==
John 3:16 doesn't say that God sent His Love, Reiki...
== In the bible Jesus says--even you will do greater miracles than these.==
However, we will not do greater miracles than those except through the Word of God.
== Reiki practitioners come from a place of love, what is wrong with that.==
Cuz it is not God's love. It is worldly love. They are not the same thing.
== Their hearts are full of love. ==
Their own love. Not God's love.
== How do you know that the healers were not put here by God...==
Cuz God won't violate His own Word.
==... to help the ones that need it-not to control others.==
Not scriptural.
== Geez folks, wake up. Take some responsibility for your own life.==
Not scriptural.
==Reiki is an adjunct to medicine, we work with medical professionals, we do not take their place. ==
It is an adjunct to voodoo.
==Spirituality and outlook have been shown to aid in healing...==
The only, REAL healer is God, through Christ.
==... and Reiki is but one of many ways one can bring focus to this important element.==
However, it has nothing to do with God.
==It is sad to see those who believe in any given faith condemning those who embrace different elements of spirituality, in this case, one that is not of any religion.==
Reiki IS a religion. It encourages people to separate themselves from God.
response to Mr. Incredible
April 1, 2009 2:08 PM
Wow! You are one of the many that takes the entire bible as dictation then? Did you forget the point that all written in the bible was written well after "Jesus" was here & then picked apart & put back together by men who had NEVER met him?
The want of "scientific proof of Reiki...where is yours of Jesus? Angels? Hell? Heaven?...the list goes on! But I CAN show you "scientific proof" that everything in this world IS made of energy. And being that you all want "scientific proof" of Reiki, What about the scientific proof of the theory of Evolution??? Seems the Catholic church is still picking & choosing that which fits & that which doesnt.
Reiki is not Voodoo, nor is it a religion. Before you make comments on something you clearly do not understand, you should do some reading up on it. Reiki is about universal love, from growing up catholic, I believe that is the same moral basis Jesus was putting forward. It seems the human ego element of that religion has ruined what it truly is trying to put forward. Very sad, how hateful the loudest of the Christians tend to be, it gives it all a bad name.
I feel very sad for you & those like you who are so full of judgement & who go through life so closeminded. Do you really think that is not "spiritually harmful"?
I can tell you, I do not fear for my soul, I do fear for the world that people like you create.
Namaste, may wisdom & love find you.
Linda C
April 1, 2009 7:55 PM
http://www.myspace.com/mamalin
I am so happy for all of the positive people that have made comments. I am new as a Reiki Master and have heard true healing experiences with using Reiki. But most important is that it is truly about love and ones own beliefs that give them strength to want to help others to be better.
Much love and appreciation to all loving positive energy filled beings.
Love and peace
Linda
Mr. Incredible
April 2, 2009 12:30 AM
==loving positive energy filled beings==
The language of a cult.
Mr. Incredible
April 2, 2009 12:46 AM
==Wow! You are one of the many that takes the entire bible as dictation then?==
Wow! Yes!
==Did you forget the point that all written in the bible was written well after "Jesus" was here...==
Irrelevant.
== & then picked apart & put back together by men who had NEVER met him? ==
So what? The King James Version agrees in the upper 90 percentiles with Textus Receptus which, in itself, agrees in the upper 90 percentiles with over 5600 manuscripts. The Hebrew text is accurate in the upper 90 percentiles.
==The want of "scientific proof of Reiki...where is yours of Jesus?==
The testimony of those who saw Him.
==Angels?==
The testimony of those who saw them and experience of them today.
== Hell?==
The testimony of those who lived to tell about it.
== Heaven?==
The testimony of those who have been there.
==...the list goes on!==
You must place doubts in your own head in order to justify yourself.
== But I CAN show you "scientific proof" that everything in this world IS made of energy.==
Energy created by God. So what?
== And being that you all want "scientific proof" of Reiki, What about the scientific proof of the theory of Evolution???==
There is none. That's why it's still called the "theory." Nobody has observed transitionals.
== Seems the Catholic church is still picking & choosing that which fits & that which doesnt. ==
Then, don't be a Catholic.
==Reiki is not Voodoo...==
It sure is.
==... nor is it a religion.==
Yes, it is.
== Before you make comments on something you clearly do not understand...==
Irrelevant. I'm against anything that separates people from God. This c r a p separates people from God by making people the agent of healing.
==... you should do some reading up on it.==
I don't care about it, other than its satanic attraction.
==Reiki is about universal love...==
So, IT is love. The Word of God says that God is love. So, which is it?
==... I believe that is the same moral basis Jesus was putting forward.==
And, yet, you are utterly incapable of providing a line of scriptural thought to prove that.
==... how hateful the loudest of the Christians tend to be, it gives it all a bad name. ==
You gave Christianity a bad name long before any of us came around. It's part of the mindset you had to create to justify yourself.
==I feel very sad for you... ==
Don't. I have the Joy of God in my heart, thanks to His Word.
==... & those like you...==
Don't. They also have a Joy of God in their hearts, thanks to His Word.
==... who are so full of judgement...==
God told those who are born again to judge Righteous judgment -- that is, according to the Word of God.
==... & who go through life so closeminded.==
Translation: "If you don't agree with me, you are closedminded.
== Do you really think that is not "spiritually harmful"? ==
It is not spiritually harmful if I align myself with a Word of God. All God's angels sing at the thought.
==I can tell you, I do not fear for my soul, I do fear for the world that people like you create.==
The Devil says that, too. However, Romans 8:1 [KJV].
==...may wisdom & love find you.==
I found both in the Word of God.
Tim Harris
April 2, 2009 1:12 AM
'no-one has observed any transitionals' - but of course there are many 'transitional' species to be found in the fossil record. Mr Incredible is incredibly ignorant or, what seems to be more likely, incredibly dishonest.The ability to shout louder,more ignorantly, and more dishonestly than others than others doesn't make what you say true.
Mr. Incredible
April 2, 2009 1:24 AM
==there are many 'transitional' species to be found in the fossil record.==
MICRO, not macro.
== Mr Incredible is incredibly ignorant or, what seems to be more likely, incredibly dishonest.==
You must persuade yourself of that in order to be able to justify your position.
== The ability to shout louder,more ignorantly, and more dishonestly than others than others doesn't make what you say true.==
That's true. So, what I do is recognize the truth, and God's Truth, and shout that cuz they are true.
Clink
April 2, 2009 3:04 AM
In some book or other there's a line about judging a tree by it's fruit. If a spiritual practice brings about healing, physical or emotional, then it must be good. Things like drugs and alcohol make people feel good for a short period of time, but then lead to a corresponding opposite experience of pain and suffering. They also cause people to make poor judgements. Reiki has no hangover. No depression. No loosening of inhibitions (though it may loosen narrow-minded views). Therefore it must be good. This argument may not hold up to rational criticism, but then neither does Religion or faith itself.
To "cult" guy: Cults are ALWAYS lead by an authoritarian hierarchy with their leaders dispensing all guidance and teachings to it's lower members. A cult must maintain that it is the ONLY way to God/Heaven/Enlightenment, and seeks to convince it's members that all other beliefs are wrong.
Reiki has no governing body. Reiki has no hierachy. Reiki is a healing practice that requires no specific spiritual belief other than the belief that a higher power can heal living beings through it's practitioners.
Sue
April 2, 2009 8:42 AM
Mr "I", I would ask you to consider that your vitriole is merely serving to alienate you from others in this forum. If you really want people to consider your views with respect, then perhaps you could still express what you believe without being so provocative...
I pray to God every day, and have done so since I was 2 years old. We have a personal relationship. I thank Him every day for every good thing, including the gift of Reiki. I also raise my boys in a household where we speak of God openly. I thank God for all healing within my life, whether from a priest, my own body doing its God-given healing response, or a reiki practitioner, or a docter.
If someone asks me my beliefs, I witness. If someone doesn't ask, I like to think I witness anyway by the way I live my life - by caring for others, being polite, and sharing what I have.
Jesus was a wonderful example of someone who didn't judge - he accepted them, and then waited to see how they assessed themselves. Think of how he was - friendly with tax collectors, prostitutes, rich men, poor men, the sick, the ostracised. He held out his hand to those in need - you hold out words of effront.
In the 1920s, Mikao Usui went out after the major earthquakes in Japan and tended the injured and displaced. Is this not a worthy role model? This is historical fact. This man was the founder of the system of Reiki. Is Buddhism satanic? This man was a dedicated Buddhist - a lover of peace and harmony. He also was a scholar, and in the opening up of Japan during the Meiji period, he studied various religions and was aware of Christianity (please do not hold it against him that he remainded true to the faith of his family from many generations - perhaps if you had been born Buddhist, you would not be part of this discussion).
Perhaps it is time to remember "Love thine enemy", "Love thy neighbour as thyself", not to mention that if you are without sin "cast the first stone", and the parable about one with the splinter in the eye, and the other with the log in his.
Part of me wonders how young you are, and what kind of life you have had, that you can be so damning in your comments, rather than demonstrating the compassion that the Christ you argue so vehemntly for, displayed throughout His Life. You may not want my prayers, but I include you anyway...
Panthera
April 2, 2009 10:57 AM
Sue,
You manifest a level of God's love and compassion of which I am incapable.
It does me good to read what you write.
Personally, I don't see any scientifically valid evidence for the effectiveness of Reiki. So what? I don't recall ever having read any studies proving conclusively that telling your mom her dinner wasn't well cooked is going to prevent your from getting desert, but I suspect few would challenge the statement...
Reiki definitely offers the benefits of being touched in a loving manner. Of having someone focus themselves utterly on your well being. I fail to understand how that can not be useful to an ill person's general well being. Someday, perhaps, we will have scientific studies to show that, yes, Reiki does help.
Until then, I think we should simply accept that it benefits the terminally ill, brings comfort and a human touch to their therapy and is, outside of this one Catholic Bishops conference, practiced and supported widely within the Church.
I don't see any practitioner of Reiki suggesting that patients stop following an allopathic course of treatment. Just the opposite. That, to me is reason enough to see this as a positive treatment.
You know, when I used to skin my knees, my mom would hug me, put a bandaid on and kiss the boo-boo. It made me feel better. Took away the sting of the Iodine, which my mother used copiously, having grown up in the bad old days when a small scratch could turn septic...
I can't prove that that loving moment made me better, but it sure felt like it did...and isn't that enough?
Not invented here seems to have become the mantra of conservative American Christians over the last 30 years or so. Maybe it is time to rethink.
Mr. Incredible
April 2, 2009 4:21 PM
==Mr "I", I would ask you to consider that your vitriole [sic]...==
What YOU INTERPRET, for whatever reason, as "vitriol."
==... is merely serving to alienate you from others in this forum.==
That they choose to alienate themselves from me is not my choice. It is not within my power to force them to alienate themselves. I'm pleased that you give me this power, but I don't have it, and I don't want it.
== If you really want people to consider your views with respect, then perhaps you could still express what you believe without being so provocative... ==
Jesus was provocative. Many people were turned off. So what? That doesn't mean He turned them off. They turn themselves off, based on their own agenda.
This is not a cumbaya session. This is a message board. A site for debate and discussion. People have provocative views, like those who claim to be homosexual. I have provocative views so what? We're invited to express them.
I'm not going to water down my views just because people choose not to consider them. They have their own reasons for considering, or not considering. They make the choice.
==I pray to God every day, and have done so since I was 2 years old. We have a personal relationship. I thank Him every day for every good thing, including the gift of Reiki.==
Except that God didn't give you that voodoo.
However, if it is a gift of God, you can give us the line of scriptural thought that proves this.
== I also raise my boys in a household where we speak of God openly. I thank God for all healing within my life, whether from a priest, my own body doing its God-given healing response, or a reiki practitioner, or a docter [sic].==
You were fine until you presented another gospel.
==If someone asks me my beliefs, I witness.==
More about that voodoo, or more about God? Tell us what the balances.
== If someone doesn't ask, I like to think I witness anyway by the way I live my life - by caring for others...==
Christ told those who are born again to care for others by giving them the Gospel. The Gospel is "love," as God intends it, through Christ.
==... being polite...==
Those who claim to be homosexual, their supporters and activists and other Liberals should take that cue.
==... and sharing what I have. ==
What's "what"?
==Jesus was a wonderful example of someone who didn't judge... ==
Except that He did, and He told those who are born again to "judge Righteous judgment -- that is, according to the Word of God. He told the unrighteous that they cannot judge cuz, inevitably, do the same things for which they judge others.
==... - he accepted them...==
No, He didn't. He didn't "accept" sinners. God doesn't accept sinners. He calls them to repentance. They must be born again. Only THEN, are they accepted.
==... and then waited to see how they assessed themselves.==
He railed against traditions of men. It is through the traditions of men that they assessed themselves. It is not their own assessment of themselves that is what He taught, rather God's assessment of them. He taught that they must see their condition before God before receiving the Offer of Reconciliation God sent through Him.
== Think of how he was - friendly with tax collectors, prostitutes, rich men, poor men, the sick, the ostracised. He held out his hand to those in need - you hold out words of effront.==
YOU take my posts that way. I'm not responsible for your conclusions. I'm not responsible for your thinking. I don't know why you give me that power. If I had that power, why didn't it work when I told people to vote Republican in the last election?
==In the 1920s, Mikao Usui went out after the major earthquakes in Japan and tended the injured and displaced.==
But not with the Word of God. He was operating on his own, for his own self. He was tapping his own power, not the power of God.
== Is this not a worthy role model? ==
Not according to the Word of God.
== This is historical fact. This man was the founder of the system of Reiki.==
So what? Charles Manson was founder of the system, too.
== Is Buddhism satanic?==
It is not of the Word of God. It is not of God. That which is not of God is of the Devil. If you don't agree, you have an argument with God. Take it up with Him.
== This man was a dedicated Buddhist - a lover of peace and harmony.==
So what? Being a lover of peace and harmony without God is not Godly. It is Godless.
==He also was a scholar, and in the opening up of Japan during the Meiji period, he studied various religions and was aware of Christianity... ==
God calls us not merely to be "aware" of Christianity.
==Perhaps it is time to remember "Love thine enemy"...==
Where God, through Jesus, tells us to love others, He means to give them what's necessary for their Salvation.
==... "Love thy neighbour as thyself"...==
That is, unselfish concern for the Salvation of others, as much concern about the Salvation of others, as I have for my own Salvation.
==... not to mention that if you are without sin "cast the first stone"...==
When Jesus said that, He was talking to the unrighteous, not the Righteous.
==... and the parable about one with the splinter in the eye, and the other with the log in his. ==
When Jesus talked about this, he was talking about unrighteousness, not righteousness. He was telling the unrighteous that they cannot judge, that they are not in the position to judge, because they, inevitably, do the same things for which they judge others.
He told the Righteous to "judge Righteous judgment" -- that is, according to the Word of God.
==Part of me wonders how young you are, and what kind of life you have had, that you can be so damning in your comments...==
I merely relate the Word of God. You see "damning" in what I write. I'm not responsible for that. You must take responsibility for your own thinking.
==... rather than demonstrating the compassion that the Christ you argue so vehemntly for...==
Why should I have compassion for those who say they are not sick? The well don't need a physician, do they?
The fact is that Jesus' compassion was for those who would die without Him. It was not a worldly compassion, as YOU promote. Don't worry, you're in good company cuz others promote worldly compassion and love, too, over the compassion of Christ. I don't.
==...You may not want my prayers, but I include you anyway...==
Everybody needs prayer. I pray every day for me and for others that He will guide us. I know He has answered my prayer for guidance.
Angel
April 3, 2009 12:48 PM
Whatever your religion or beliefs are, we are all one here. I believe that prayer is about intention. If we keep our intentions aligned with goodness, peace prevails. Prayer is sending out energy. Reiki is not affilated with any particular religion or religous practice. Reiki energy is not based on belief or suggestion. Its the spiritual life force that directs itself where needed. I am a Reiki practioner and Reiki is drawing in the universal life force energy will all have access too. I have seen miracles happen with the power of Reiki and inner peace.
I believe peace starts within to make this world a better place and inner peace can create a better way of life on many levels.
Reiki Usui Principles:
I give thanks for my many blessings
Just for today I will not anger
Just for today I will not worry
I will do my work honestly
I will be kind to people and every living thing
May all who enter here be blessed
Namaste
Sue
April 4, 2009 5:51 AM
Mr “I”, the truly incredible people on this planet are the ones who go out and assist others when needed, without the desire for recognition, recompense, or reward, which is exactly what Mikao Usui did after the earthquakes in Japan that I referred to earlier. Yet you accuse him of selfishness. I wonder how you can be so confident of this. Is everyone who ISN’T CHRISTIAN who gives to charities, works in shelters, volunteers with drug and alcohol rehab, works in third world countries, sponsors children who are badly off, gives generously and freely of time, skills, resources, and money, are all these people doing these things for selfish reasons? I don’t believe so.
You say I indulge in something that is of satanic attraction and that I gave my praise for healing to a reiki practitioner and a doctor rather than God. I thought it was pretty clear that I believed that ultimately, the healing came from God. If it will make you feel better, here it is... Praise God - I am healthy!
You also asked about “what” I include when I witness. That is about God, Christ, and a personal relationship. What do you include when you witness? I suspect we may cover a lot of the same ground. I try to use language however, that doesn’t make people feel as though they are being bashed around the head and force-fed a point of view. I am clear, concise, and polite.
All I ever asked you to do on this forum was temper your language. I did not ask you to change your point of view. I suggested it might be helpful for others to see your point of view more clearly if you changed your language. If you don’t want to do so, that’s your prerogative.
But do not confuse a personal sense of righteousness with that of righteous judgement. I will await the conclusion of my life to see how I am judged, and I will “judge not, lest ye be also judged.”
I am sure that God can forgive me any transgression - Christ forgave those who repented, regardless of what their sins were. If it turns out that I have sinned by being deceived into believing that Reiki is a gift from God, I am sure he can forgive that transgression. After all, I did ask Him about it when I was praying for guidance (ahhh, but you think I wasn’t really talking with Him...) Well, I asked. I certainly haven’t been told otherwise (and I do hear that still small voice - even Roman Catholics talk about listening to your conscience).
Doesn’t yours bother you sometimes? I know when mine bothers me, and in terms of Reiki, there has only ever been a strong positive response.
Thank you, God, for your many blessings in this life, including that of Reiki. Thank you most of all, for the on-going relationship we have, where I can bring anything to you, and You answer - even if it isn’t always the answer I might have hoped for! Like the child hoping to hear “yes”, it is sometimes “no”, and this I accept and act upon.
Valerie
April 14, 2009 8:47 PM
I agree with the posting. I am a Reiki Master/Practitioner and have been so since 1987. I have given sessions to women with cancer; both in the home setting and in the hospice setting. I have found when prayer is added through compassion the energy is stronger. Why would anyone deny a patient who is suffering, the gift of receiving a Reiki session which will bring peace and relief from pain.......?
Chrissy
April 28, 2009 6:59 PM
What everyone doesn't understand is reiki isn't a religion. It is a form of alternative healing. It does help. Our hospitals around here have been using it. I guess the people who where using it in the catholic hospitals and it was working on them would miss it. I guess priest are going to come sit at hospitals and "pray" over everyone.....sad news this is....
Stella
May 9, 2009 8:12 PM
Maybe the Cathloic Bishops should try a reiki session and feel the wave of energy go through their bodies and they try and explain how it works.
To deny all Catholics the benefit of this beautiful energy is something I as A CATHOLIC and a REIKI MASTER can not accept.
Maybe the bishops should go against the drug companies who are making billions and keeping us sick for profit.
Maybe the bishops should figure out why we can't keep believers in the Catholic church why we are losing our young to no religion or joining other religions.
Maybe the bishops can look into why we can't get young men to join the priesthood, or why they are afraid to have lay people involved more.
But, to calll Reiki superstitious or against the teachings of the catholic without knowing anything about the way our bodies have a natual way of healing is not right.
How do our cuts heal?? What animates us? Its the energy in and around us.
Reiki is a gentle energy that causes deep relaxation and helps our bodies heal ourselves.
I get to feel this energy everday and it helps with my chronic pain.
just thought i would share my opinion.
Your Name
September 29, 2009 12:02 PM
Its unfortunate to observe such fear coming from high clergy within the Catholic church. There is no other explanation except fear for such accusations being made by the bishops. We are all Divine sons and daughters and empowered through Christ Consciousness! Ofcourse we can heal ourselves and assist in the healing of others, it is our inheritance. Jesus claims this as such in the New Testament. Reiki is NOT religious based, it is a God-given gift that each person has within themself. I was born and raised Catholic and I am an Usui Reiki practitioner and an Angelic Reiki Master/Teacher. I have no guilt or doubts about providing and believing in the healing power of Reiki, because I know that it comes from Divine Source. People that come out against Reiki do so out of fear and a lack of knowledge. They would rather believe someone elses belief systems instead of forming their own.
To ALL Reiki practitioners and receivers...we don't need to get caught up in this drama, we are the observers, the do-ers, the movers and the shakers, and when all else fails (for example our healthcare system) we will prevail through the One True Source of Divine Love & Compassion.
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More proof that the RCC isn't as wise as they would like people to believe. The RCC hates to lose control and loves to make pronouncements on what a RC can and cannot do. I have no reason to doubt the poster's statement. Others have said that Reiki has helped them.
And, to be fair, I have known people who were healed after praying to the Virgin Mary.
Perhaps she was sending them a Reiki treatment.
I am a practitioner and teacher of Reiki. I am also a committed Christian. I often refer to Reiki as Prayer In Action. There is a strong Christian tradition of the "laying on of hands" within. What makes the RC Bishops think that God restricted this tradition only to Christians? My belief/experience indicates to me that the Reiki experience is a spiritual one. It isn't religious/denominational.
Also, the short article I read indicated that these Bishops are of the opinion that Reiki is manipulated/directed by the practitioner, and this is not the case. You can hope that the disease for which the person seeks help is the one that responds, but it is always the area that needs assistance that responds first (and that might be emotional, or something apparently minor, or simply a relief of pain if indeed it is the time for someone to pass away).
Reiki (two words in Japanese), can be translated as "God Energy". Mikao Usui, founder of Reiki, had an experience of enlightenment, that in its description, is so much akin to the pentecost experience of the gift of the Holy Spirit, you would think it was from the same Source (and who's to say it wasn't?) It is pure arrogance to believe that the Roman Catholic way is the only way.
The RC Bishops may choose to discriminate in terms of who can (and can't) lay hands on and ask for healing, but God doesn't. "You shall know them by their works". Visit www.christianreiki.org for a Christian perspective.
By the way - I live in Australia and Reiki was brought here by an American Christian Minister, the Rev. Beth Gray.
I also dispute the contention that there is no evidence of Reiki's efficacy - I can name a number of studies that indicate positive results when Reiki has been applied. References can be supplied if anyone is interested...
The only thing I ask - please be open minded.
So we Catholics should ignore the bishops (the guys with the years of theological training, ordained by the power of the Holy Spirit, links in the great chain of apostolic succession) and listen to this Beliefnet reader instead?
"Reiki is channeling Love energy from the Divine Source."
As Catholics, we have the Sacraments as instruments of God's grace. If you want healing, ask for the Anointing of the Sick. What do you think we have it for?
"RCC... loves to make pronouncements on what a RC can and cannot do.
An organization shouldn't have a say in guiding its members? Interesting...
I sure would appreciate it if fellow Catholics payed more attention in CCD so they would know what why things like Reiki are incompatible with Catholic theology. And I'd really appreciate it if non-Catholics minded their own business.
I am Catholic and a Reiki Master. It is true that this is a Catholic Religion matter. It is not a matter of faith just religion. I put my faith in God and not in the twisted words that the Bishops spit out. They have made errors in the past and refuted their own statements that were previously made. This document is non-dogmatic and I will follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit continue to practice Reiki to heal others.
I'm curious. What's to prevent a Catholic from learning Reiki, and then practice it, but call it "Prayer"?
Actually, Dr. Usui wanted to heal like Christ and thought why can’t I do this.
So after much meditation, was lead to his understanding of Reiki and of what Reiki actually is, a universal healing energy that is independent and a force of its own in the Universe, which can not be used for personal or selfish gain and more importantly, it is something that is not tied to any religion or religious beliefs.
ALSO, the idea that Dr. Usui was Christian was something said to make Reiki more palatable to Christians. There is nothing that suggests Christianity in his teachings however, it is possible that he may have embraced Christianity for a brief period when he as doing his soul searching.
Reiki is a wonderful source of healing and is a benefit and blessing to all who use it or have used its healing energies to heal others. It is simply another method that can be used to bring healing into the lives of others with compassion and love.
A wonderful book on this subject as well as Dr. Usui,
Reiki Fire by Frank Arjava Petter
ISBN # 0-914955-50-0
So glad that the RCC thinks they know everything! Why does this (and some other treatments) scare them so much?? Are they afraid they might lose some more members because of Reiki? They are losing members but not because of that....or maybe it IS because of some of the ridiculous rules. Basicly they say don't go and get relief from pain, stress etc. UNLESS it is OK'd by them?
Carla, good to know that you have no conflict with your religion and being a Reiki Master. It's a shame some others can't see that there is no comflict.
==. God loves you and when you ask for something to help others, God will bless you with it.... I will tell you from experience, the deeper and harder you pray from the heart while using reiki to help someone, the stronger the strength of the energy. ==
Sooo, if I use this to help somebody rob a bank, God helps me?????
No, of course.
If you ask God, according to His Will, He will help you help others WITH HIS WILL. Otherwise, you ask amiss.
==Reiki is a wonderful source of healing and is a benefit and blessing to all who use it or have used its healing energies to heal others. It is simply another method that can be used to bring healing into the lives of others with compassion and love.==
Just so much hokus-pokus. Just a bunch-a voodoo.
So, I guess Jesus was lying when He said that He is the ONLY Way to the Father. Is THAT it?
==Are they afraid they might lose some more members because of Reiki?==
Christianity is not a club. It doesn't recruit members.
==They are losing members...==
They are not losing "members."
==Others have said that Reiki has helped them. ==
Sure, a lotta people say a lotta things help them. So, they deny that God, through Christ, helps the most. Now what?
==I am a practitioner and teacher of Reiki. I am also a committed Christian.==
Can't be both. You're either hot, or cold.
So, was Jesus lying when He said,
(Joh 15:3) Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
(Joh 14:6) ...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
==I have asked God for a reiki attunement ...==
"Attunement"? "ATTUNEMENT"????
This is a joke, isn't it. It's a pre-April Fool's Day joke, huh, and the "reikists," or, "reikibots," or, "reikiettes," or, "reikiistas," or whatever, are havin' a laugh on everybody. Yeah. That's gotta be it cuz this REALLY can't be serious.
wooOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOO!
So, Mr. Incredible-
You know exactly what about Reiki…I’ll take $2000.00 for knows exactly nothing, Alex.
If you choose to believe in Jesus, good for you, I hope it works for you.
Reiki IS a wonderful source of healing, that’s what, it’s for.
If you see it as hocus-pocus or voodoo, that’s you’re opinion, like your religion and your god.
Personally, if Jesus lies or not doesn’t mean anything to me, since I’m not Christian nor do I believe in him. There’s no reason that I should want to believe in your religion. Besides, you do a bang up job of showing others and myself why I wouldn’t want to be Christian. You, come on to a discussion, vomit your beliefs and condemnation of everything or one not of your faith, thinking you’ve done everyone a service but more than likely turned everyone away.
==Others have said that Reiki has helped them. ==
Sure, a lotta people say a lotta things help them. So, they deny that God, through Christ, helps the most. Now what?
No one here has stated this, it’s purely you’re assumption and opinion. You’re still trying to put words in people’s mouths, still trying to create issues where there is none.
== This is a joke, isn't it. It's a pre-April Fool's Day joke, huh, and the "reikists," or, "reikibots," or, "reikiettes," or, "reikiistas," or whatever, are havin' a laugh on everybody. Yeah. That's gotta be it cuz this REALLY can't be serious.==
And the word for you is Christ Cult, American Taliban & Religious Reich. I know you won’t be offended, as you like to dish it out so of course you can take it.
==You know exactly what about Reiki…==
I know that it isn't about Christ.
==Reiki IS a wonderful source of healing, that’s what, it’s for.==
Christ is the only healing we need, not some made-up, mystical BS voodoo like this.
==If you see it as hocus-pocus or voodoo, that’s you’re opinion, like your religion and your god.==
I don't have a "god." I got God. You don't know the difference.
==Personally, if Jesus lies or not doesn’t mean anything to me, since I’m not Christian nor do I believe in him.==
Just for the record, for future reference, He would like to know whether you believe He's a liar, nor not. Just for the record. You're not afraid to go on the record with it, are you?
== There’s no reason that I should want to believe in your religion.==
I have no religion. I got relationship. Again, you don't know the difference.
==Besides, you do a bang up job of showing others and myself why I wouldn’t want to be Christian.==
You decided trhat a long time ago, before I got here.
Anyway, take responsibility for yourself. I'm not responsible for your choosing not to be Christian.
== You, come on to a discussion, vomit your beliefs and condemnation ...==
I condemn no one who hasn't condemned themselves.
==...of everything or one not of your faith, thinking you’ve done everyone a service but more than likely turned everyone away. ==
I don't have the power to trurn anybody away. They choose to turn away.
==/==Others have said that Reiki has helped them. ==
Sure, a lotta people say a lotta things help them. So, they deny that God, through Christ, helps the most. Now what?
No one here has stated this, it’s purely you’re assumption and opinion. ==
They have said that this voodoo has helped them. That means that they reject God's help cuz god says that He is the ONLY Way to Health.
==You’re still trying to put words in people’s mouths...==
No, I'm not.
==... still trying to create issues where there is none.==
You'd like to think there are no issues so that you wouldn't be challenged.
==/== This is a joke, isn't it. It's a pre-April Fool's Day joke, huh, and the "reikists," or, "reikibots," or, "reikiettes," or, "reikiistas," or whatever, are havin' a laugh on everybody. Yeah. That's gotta be it cuz this REALLY can't be serious.==
And the word for you is Christ Cult...==
You don't offend, nor hurt me.
==... American Taliban...==
Again, you don't hurt me.
==... & Religious Reich.==
You got those from Lib Mafia websites, huh.
== I know you won’t be offended...==
Yup. Romans 8:1 {KJV]
== ...as you like to dish it out...==
Just like everybody else.
==... so of course you can take it.==
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
I've had no problem.
"Attunement." Indeed.
"I", "No they are not losing "members".
Gee, then I guess that all the reports of churches closing, and RCC schools closing is because they have too many members, huh? Of course part of (but no all of) the loss of churches and schools is because of all the money the RCC is having to spend to pay for the child abuse suits, but that's another story. I live in what once was a predominately RCC state. Membership, schools and churches are closing. But I'm sure you disagree. :o) No problem
Blesses Be
>>Christ is the only healing we need, not some made-up, mystical BS voodoo like this.
Comments like this sadden me.
In the end, we all operate with faith, something that is intangible, but we feel and connect in various ways.
If that is through Jesus and the various Christian denominations that exist in His name, fine... that it works for those who follow works for me.
Reiki is non-denominational, anyone of any faith can be a Reiki practitioner; it goes quite well with any faith, and who one connects with in Reiki can very much be of the person's faith.
It is foolish to suggest that any given faith is true and all others are pretenders or are described in some devaluing way.
I am quite certain that Jesus would be troubled by anyone acting in a way that put down the faith or belief of any other, given most often those other beliefs help connect someone to a place that should be of light and love, of treating each other with respect and kindness.
When one posts things of this nature, it seems to mock the faith they purport to hold dear.
The Catholic Bishops err in the view, just as the Church has erred in other specific issues over the past month or two, and that is sad to see.
Shall we find our way to coexistence and respect for one another, or should we consign our spirituality to dissing that of others?
Reiki was explained to me as the laying on of hands for healing - which is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.As such, it is of God and should be seen that way. After all, God works in many mysterious ways and those ways are not always known to us.
The word god means 'clay image'...
Reiki means 'universal spirit'...
We are all here to help each other and if we are helping others, that is the most important, not some foolish dogma that priests/orgs/establishments adhere to...
Keep worshiping sun gods and see how far it gets you...I myself believe in love and practice it....
'Amen' at the end of your prayers really is an Egyptian god...
Do the research and see for yourself
goole Astrotheology
Love, Harmony & Healing
I wrote the comment earlier about being a committed Christian and Reiki Teacher/Practitioner. I am very saddened by the lack of compassion and tolerance being displayed by Mr Incredible.
Mikao Usui, the founder of Reiki, asked those who chose to use his system to include the following ideals into how they deal with people:
Do not worry
Do not anger
Honour your elders and earn your living honestly
Show gratitude
Show compassion
These sit perfectly well with my understanding of the Bible and Christ's teachings in particular.
So Mr Incredible, I am not angered by your comments, I am not worried by your comments, I continue to honour those in the community who behave with integrity and honesty, I show gratitude daily and express it to those from whom I learn (including learning from these posts - thank you to the contributors of whatever faith), and I feel compassion towards all, including you.
I prayed for guidance when I first used Reiki in order to treat a long standing injury. I believe God cured me - and that the Reiki practitioner was simply the treatment provider. Just as when I seek assistance from a medical doctor, I believe God cured me, and the doctor was a treatment provider.
When that "still small voice" that I have been listening to every day for the last 43 years(and making decisions accordingly), tells me that Reiki is wrong, then I will cease to practise it.
Your Name
March 30, 2009 1:37 AM
What a loving, considered, thoughtful post.
I sometimes ask myself, do the conservative Christians who read Beliefnet ever notice the difference in tone between postings by - well, I won't name names, but anyone who has been here more often than once or twice knows exactly what I mean - and those of the us who are constantly told we aren't true Christians?
It surely is useful to see the fruits of the spirit around here. On the one hand, you have folks condemning, bearing false witness, saying gays are worse than pedophiles, women are responsible for their own rapes, non-dogmatic positions of Bishop's conferences are binding...
Then you have the genuinely thoughtful conservative Christians asking questions. Not too many, I fear, but they show up occasionally.
I'm a Christian, even if Mr. Incredible, Hugh Henry and all the others commit the heresy of usurping God's authority to themselves. What a pity that, on the one side, people attack me for being a Christian, gay man married to another man. On the other side are people who come to this site, see what sort of folks represent Christianity here and think, wow!
By the by, not to stay ON topic, or anything...one of the courses of treatment offered to terminally ill patients at the cancer care centers run by the Catholic church here in my country is Reiki.
Fascinating. Guess they pay more attention to Rome than the American Bishops, those horrible people - offering relief and comfort to dying people.
Sheesh. The insular arrogance of so many conservative American Christians is just plain frightening.
The Enlightenment has been coming into being for about the last ~300 years by my estimate. Reiki, exorcisms, the laying on of hands, aromatherapy, acupuncture, crawling on your knees, etc. and things of this sort do us no good. Instead, I suggest putting your faith in evidence-based medicine. Actually, the latter practices can harm your health.
It rains on the sinners and the righteous alike after all. Which according to this layman means Jesus was saying that he isn't going to improve our circumstances, health or wealth. Life is going to be fickle and cruel and we will have to deal with things on our own. Even the bishops are smart enough to have good modern health care in case their prayers fail.
How can you let someone tell you how to communicate with God. Why is it that you do as you are told like children minding their parents. Are you afraid to think and feel and believe in something greater and stronger than a man made religion. Why do you need someone to tell how and what to do and believe?
How can you judge something you've never experienced? How can you say Reiki is wrong when anyone that has experienced it knows that it is pure unconditional love from where else-the Divine. In the bible Jesus says--even you will do greater miracles than these. Reiki practitioners come from a place of love, what is wrong with that. Their hearts are full of love. How do you know that the healers were not put here by God to help the ones that need it-not to control others. Geez folks, wake up. Take some responsibility for your own life.
DML, Reiki is an adjunct to medicine, we work with medical professionals, we do not take their place.
Spirituality and outlook have been shown to aid in healing, and Reiki is but one of many ways one can bring focus to this important element.
It is sad to see those who believe in any given faith condemning those who embrace different elements of spirituality, in this case, one that is not of any religion.
Carla,
As I mentioned before, if you're a Catholic in need of healing, you have the sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick available to you. It has a biblical foundation and 2000 years of Sacred Tradition behind it:
James 5:14, Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
So number one, there's just no need for Reiki of you're Catholic. Number 2, the bishops are making their pronouncements based on years of theological study and training, and they are happy to provide the reasoning behind their decisions. As a Catholic, you have to trust that they know what they're talking about, along with exercising your own reason and logic as informed by the Tradition you're part of.
If you can't (or won't) do that, then maybe it's time to take a good hard look at why you're a member of the Church in the first place, and see where you're heart really is.
"The insular arrogance of so many conservative American Christians is just plain frightening."
You know what's truly as arrogant? Assuming your individual interpretation of the Bible is the right one. As Catholics, we don't interpret it as individuals. We interpret scripture as a unified Church that has existed for 2000 years.
As the Sacred Scripture says:
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation (2 Peter 1:20)
and,
"...there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies..." (2 Peter 2:1)
Bob,
I just love these 'love it the way I do or leave it' pronouncements. First, it is a sin to entice or harass someone into leaving the Church.
Second, since Reiki is used as a palliative in many Catholic institutions in Europe, you are not only insulting Carla but also quiet a few Catholics of good conscience doing the Lord's work.
How horrible it must be for you that the Bishops in the US may not proclaim your own personal views to be dogma. I suggest you have a little talk with your confessor about this tendency of yours to demand people leave the Church, that would be attending to the state of your soul on a level which is obviously seriously needed.
Or, Bob, to put it in simple terms...since when did the Bishop of Rome...his office is but a small distance from me here...abdicate to the US Bishops? I didn't see anything about it in L'Osservatore Romano.
Your arrogance in assuming that your narrow, provincial, uniformed perspective is the one and only true analysis of the Church and her position on this - and many other issues on which you so breezily here pontificate (sic) - is beyond description.
Again, I repeat. Telling people to leave the Church is a sin. Are you a Prince of the Church? If not, then hold your tongue!
Bob,
That is a passive approach, where Reiki practitioners seek an active one. IMO, the Church once again creates a public relations nightmare, just as it did with the excommunication of the doctor and the comments on condoms in Africa.
There is no need for such comments on Reiki. It isn't as if they can prove anything related to their faith. This incessant need to attack that of others is annoying.
How is it that a group of RCC leaders find a technique that makes a person physically feel better, can be "bad"? What is better about the "anointing of the sick" that makes it a better procedure? Why is calling on the Universal Energy for help better from a priest than from a Reiki Master?
All holy books, IMO are subject to interpretation, no matter what religion is represents.
Again, to make another plug for modern science, a simple PubMed search led me to an evidence based evaluation of Reiki. It doesn't work. Perhaps a more practical solution, especially for health care providers, is to by compassionate toward those who are sick. At the same time, it would not be appropriate to lend a false sense of hope to these vulnerable people.
I am a practising Catholic by choice not born into the Catholic faith but chose to follow their teachings. I have found at certain times a person who may know me or know of me, may say I understand you can heal someone of pain and injury by your hands.
I explain I have done so but it is not me but that of some greater power who seems to allow me to make people feel better.
The question that may be asked have I been trained in Reiki or by a Reiki Master. The answer is no, I dont know anything other than what I have read and I wouldnt know what a Reiki master may look like or what qualification he/she may have.
Another question may arise am I a faith healer the answer is no but for reasons I dont why, I am able from time to time able to assist someone not by touching them, but moving my hands at least six inches away from them with the thought of knowing of their pain and feeling that someone or something is guiding me to help that person.
Call it whatever one may, the ability is not mine but is from a greater power and I am only an assistant when needed
From my comments and experiance it is up to the indivdual to decide be faith, or training from a Reika Master which I know little of.
I keep referring to Reiki as a palliative and that is as far as science has gone in analyzing the technique. There is no disprovable theory to account for the purported effects of the treatment, but there is an enormous body of non-scientific reporting as to its usefulness in giving seriously ill patients a sense of having been helped.
And that is reason enough, in my books, to support the Catholic church in Europe in Her offering such palliative support measures to the terminally ill.
Certainly, we should continue to study the matter. But this arrogant, provincial presumption of authority and inciting Catholics of Good Conscience to leave the church because they do not agree with the non-dogmatically binding findings of a group of American bishops is precisely the mentality which gave us the last eight years of shrub and torture, illegal wars, abridgment of Constitutional rights...
We had quite enough of this blind obedience here in Europe a few years back and have learned from our mistakes. Communism is dead, the National Socialists lost the war. But at what a cost! How many were tortured and murdered all in the name of the exact same rigidness some here are advocating.
It is worth bearing in mind that for many decades, those of us active in the natural sciences held Hömopathie for stuff and bunkum. Turns out that, under strict, repeatable, empirical analysis using double blind tests and accepted procedures (ours, not the joke which passes for the FDA thanks to shrub) some hömopathic dilutions do have a clinically relevant effectiveness.
DML, by what measure does it 'not work?'
First of all, that starts with an assumption, which I would guess is the person heals... but healing comes in many ways, not necessarily physical healing.
Bias is pervasive in 'studies' and I suspect that study sought to prove Reiki doesn't work, as well as had inherent mis-assumptions made in the criteria by which they evaluated Reiki.
Even if it achieves nothing beyond giving someone peace of mind, well... I would call that a success, but for some I recognise, the human element should be tossed out the window. I guess they prefer to see someone go from ill to cure in a tangible way.
==>>Christ is the only healing we need, not some made-up, mystical BS voodoo like this.
Comments like this sadden me.==
Get over it.
==In the end, we all operate with faith, something that is intangible...==
Hebrews 11:1 says, however, that faith is substance and evidence.
==Reiki is non-denominational, anyone of any faith can be a Reiki practitioner; it goes quite well with any faith, and who one connects with in Reiki can very much be of the person's faith.==
Voodoo doesn't work with Christianity.
==It is foolish to suggest that any given faith is true...==
So, you're saying that Jesus is the "liar."
==... and all others are pretenders...==
Well, Jesus said that He is the ONLY Way to the Father. If He is the ONLY Way to the Father, and all other ways pretend to be the way.
==I am quite certain that Jesus would be troubled by anyone acting in a way that put down the faith or belief of any other...==
Then, He didn't really mean it went He said that He is the ONLY Way to the Father. We see.
==... given most often those other beliefs help connect someone to a place that should be of light and love, of treating each other with respect and kindness.==
So, what Jesus said is only a suggestion, is THAT it?
==When one posts things of this nature, it seems to mock the faith they purport to hold dear.==
You use the word, "seems." That describes what goes on in YOUR mind, not what's going on outside your mind the way you describe it.
==The Catholic Bishops err in the view, just as the Church has erred in other specific issues over the past month or two, and that is sad to see.==
Translation: "If only others would see things the way I do, everybody would be better off."
==Shall we find our way to coexistence and respect for one another, or should we consign our spirituality to dissing that of others?==
So, your view is that Jesus commanded compromise of His principles, negotiate with the evil in the world. It He compromise and negotiate in the wilderness in Matthew 4:1-11?
==Reiki was explained to me as the laying on of hands for healing - which is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.==
Just another attempt to squeeze in a false religion and make it seem as though it's of God. Of course, it isn't. It's of "the other one."
== As such, it is of God...==
No, it isn't.
==... and should be seen that way. ==
Who says?
== After all, God works in many mysterious ways and those ways are not always known to us.==
However, those who are born again know that they should avoid false religions and false teachers. This voodoo Reiki is a good place to start.
==We are all here to help each other ...==
Help each other do what?
==... and if we are helping others...==
Helping others do what?
==... that is the most important...==
That's not what the Word of God says.
==... not some foolish dogma that priests/orgs/establishments adhere to...==
Jesus predicted that you would say something like that.
==I myself believe in love...==
What kind of "love"?
==... and practice it....==
First, we have to find out what kind of love you wanna practice. Then, we have-ta find out how you wanna practice it.
==...I feel compassion towards all, including you.==
Define "compassion." All that your definition doesn't square with the Word of God, rather with the world.
==I prayed...==
To whom?
==... for guidance...==
From whom?
==... I first used Reiki in order to treat a long standing injury. I believe God cured me...==
So, did you praise the voodoo, or God?
==... - and that the Reiki practitioner was simply the treatment provider. Just as when I seek assistance from a medical doctor, I believe God cured me, and the doctor was a treatment provider.==
So, in one case, you praise the voodoo practitioner, and, in the other case, you praise the medical doctor. Where's the praise for God?
==When that "still small voice" that I have been listening to every day for the last 43 years(and making decisions accordingly), tells me that Reiki is wrong, then I will cease to practise it.==
Because that "still small voice" leads you away from God, it's clear that that "still small voice" is the voice of "the other one."
==On the one hand, you have folks condemning...==
The Word of God says the disobedient have condemned themselves already. We merrily report the fact.
==... bearing false witness...==
Where's the false witness? Who's to say? YOU?
==...Then you have the genuinely thoughtful conservative Christians asking questions.==
Translation: "The genuinely thoughtful conservative Christian is the one who agrees with me."
==I'm a Christian...==
You claim you are homosexual. That offends the Word of God. Therefore, as long as you act out that claim, you can't be a Christian.
==... even if Mr. Incredible, Hugh Henry and all the others commit the heresy of usurping God's authority to themselves. ==
God gave, to those who are born again, the authority to use the Word of God, to report His Message. That we do. Christ gives us authority.
== What a pity that, on the one side, people attack me for being a Christian, gay man married to another man.==
You can't claim to be homosexual and act on that claim AND be Christian.
==The insular arrogance of so many conservative American Christians is just plain frightening.==
Translation: "We need more conservative American Christians to come over to my way of thinking, so I won't be afraid."
==How can you let someone tell you how to communicate with God.==
Cuz there is ONLY One Way to the Father. That is, through His Word.
==How can you judge something you've never experienced? ==
I don't have to be hit by a truck to know it hurts.
== How can you say Reiki is wrong when anyone that has experienced it knows that it is pure unconditional love from where else-the Divine.==
John 3:16 doesn't say that God sent His Love, Reiki...
== In the bible Jesus says--even you will do greater miracles than these.==
However, we will not do greater miracles than those except through the Word of God.
== Reiki practitioners come from a place of love, what is wrong with that.==
Cuz it is not God's love. It is worldly love. They are not the same thing.
== Their hearts are full of love. ==
Their own love. Not God's love.
== How do you know that the healers were not put here by God...==
Cuz God won't violate His own Word.
==... to help the ones that need it-not to control others.==
Not scriptural.
== Geez folks, wake up. Take some responsibility for your own life.==
Not scriptural.
==Reiki is an adjunct to medicine, we work with medical professionals, we do not take their place. ==
It is an adjunct to voodoo.
==Spirituality and outlook have been shown to aid in healing...==
The only, REAL healer is God, through Christ.
==... and Reiki is but one of many ways one can bring focus to this important element.==
However, it has nothing to do with God.
==It is sad to see those who believe in any given faith condemning those who embrace different elements of spirituality, in this case, one that is not of any religion.==
Reiki IS a religion. It encourages people to separate themselves from God.
Wow! You are one of the many that takes the entire bible as dictation then? Did you forget the point that all written in the bible was written well after "Jesus" was here & then picked apart & put back together by men who had NEVER met him?
The want of "scientific proof of Reiki...where is yours of Jesus? Angels? Hell? Heaven?...the list goes on! But I CAN show you "scientific proof" that everything in this world IS made of energy. And being that you all want "scientific proof" of Reiki, What about the scientific proof of the theory of Evolution??? Seems the Catholic church is still picking & choosing that which fits & that which doesnt.
Reiki is not Voodoo, nor is it a religion. Before you make comments on something you clearly do not understand, you should do some reading up on it. Reiki is about universal love, from growing up catholic, I believe that is the same moral basis Jesus was putting forward. It seems the human ego element of that religion has ruined what it truly is trying to put forward. Very sad, how hateful the loudest of the Christians tend to be, it gives it all a bad name.
I feel very sad for you & those like you who are so full of judgement & who go through life so closeminded. Do you really think that is not "spiritually harmful"?
I can tell you, I do not fear for my soul, I do fear for the world that people like you create.
Namaste, may wisdom & love find you.
I am so happy for all of the positive people that have made comments. I am new as a Reiki Master and have heard true healing experiences with using Reiki. But most important is that it is truly about love and ones own beliefs that give them strength to want to help others to be better.
Much love and appreciation to all loving positive energy filled beings.
Love and peace
Linda
==loving positive energy filled beings==
The language of a cult.
==Wow! You are one of the many that takes the entire bible as dictation then?==
Wow! Yes!
==Did you forget the point that all written in the bible was written well after "Jesus" was here...==
Irrelevant.
== & then picked apart & put back together by men who had NEVER met him? ==
So what? The King James Version agrees in the upper 90 percentiles with Textus Receptus which, in itself, agrees in the upper 90 percentiles with over 5600 manuscripts. The Hebrew text is accurate in the upper 90 percentiles.
==The want of "scientific proof of Reiki...where is yours of Jesus?==
The testimony of those who saw Him.
==Angels?==
The testimony of those who saw them and experience of them today.
== Hell?==
The testimony of those who lived to tell about it.
== Heaven?==
The testimony of those who have been there.
==...the list goes on!==
You must place doubts in your own head in order to justify yourself.
== But I CAN show you "scientific proof" that everything in this world IS made of energy.==
Energy created by God. So what?
== And being that you all want "scientific proof" of Reiki, What about the scientific proof of the theory of Evolution???==
There is none. That's why it's still called the "theory." Nobody has observed transitionals.
== Seems the Catholic church is still picking & choosing that which fits & that which doesnt. ==
Then, don't be a Catholic.
==Reiki is not Voodoo...==
It sure is.
==... nor is it a religion.==
Yes, it is.
== Before you make comments on something you clearly do not understand...==
Irrelevant. I'm against anything that separates people from God. This c r a p separates people from God by making people the agent of healing.
==... you should do some reading up on it.==
I don't care about it, other than its satanic attraction.
==Reiki is about universal love...==
So, IT is love. The Word of God says that God is love. So, which is it?
==... I believe that is the same moral basis Jesus was putting forward.==
And, yet, you are utterly incapable of providing a line of scriptural thought to prove that.
==... how hateful the loudest of the Christians tend to be, it gives it all a bad name. ==
You gave Christianity a bad name long before any of us came around. It's part of the mindset you had to create to justify yourself.
==I feel very sad for you... ==
Don't. I have the Joy of God in my heart, thanks to His Word.
==... & those like you...==
Don't. They also have a Joy of God in their hearts, thanks to His Word.
==... who are so full of judgement...==
God told those who are born again to judge Righteous judgment -- that is, according to the Word of God.
==... & who go through life so closeminded.==
Translation: "If you don't agree with me, you are closedminded.
== Do you really think that is not "spiritually harmful"? ==
It is not spiritually harmful if I align myself with a Word of God. All God's angels sing at the thought.
==I can tell you, I do not fear for my soul, I do fear for the world that people like you create.==
The Devil says that, too. However, Romans 8:1 [KJV].
==...may wisdom & love find you.==
I found both in the Word of God.
'no-one has observed any transitionals' - but of course there are many 'transitional' species to be found in the fossil record. Mr Incredible is incredibly ignorant or, what seems to be more likely, incredibly dishonest.The ability to shout louder,more ignorantly, and more dishonestly than others than others doesn't make what you say true.
==there are many 'transitional' species to be found in the fossil record.==
MICRO, not macro.
== Mr Incredible is incredibly ignorant or, what seems to be more likely, incredibly dishonest.==
You must persuade yourself of that in order to be able to justify your position.
== The ability to shout louder,more ignorantly, and more dishonestly than others than others doesn't make what you say true.==
That's true. So, what I do is recognize the truth, and God's Truth, and shout that cuz they are true.
In some book or other there's a line about judging a tree by it's fruit. If a spiritual practice brings about healing, physical or emotional, then it must be good. Things like drugs and alcohol make people feel good for a short period of time, but then lead to a corresponding opposite experience of pain and suffering. They also cause people to make poor judgements. Reiki has no hangover. No depression. No loosening of inhibitions (though it may loosen narrow-minded views). Therefore it must be good. This argument may not hold up to rational criticism, but then neither does Religion or faith itself.
To "cult" guy: Cults are ALWAYS lead by an authoritarian hierarchy with their leaders dispensing all guidance and teachings to it's lower members. A cult must maintain that it is the ONLY way to God/Heaven/Enlightenment, and seeks to convince it's members that all other beliefs are wrong.
Reiki has no governing body. Reiki has no hierachy. Reiki is a healing practice that requires no specific spiritual belief other than the belief that a higher power can heal living beings through it's practitioners.
Mr "I", I would ask you to consider that your vitriole is merely serving to alienate you from others in this forum. If you really want people to consider your views with respect, then perhaps you could still express what you believe without being so provocative...
I pray to God every day, and have done so since I was 2 years old. We have a personal relationship. I thank Him every day for every good thing, including the gift of Reiki. I also raise my boys in a household where we speak of God openly. I thank God for all healing within my life, whether from a priest, my own body doing its God-given healing response, or a reiki practitioner, or a docter.
If someone asks me my beliefs, I witness. If someone doesn't ask, I like to think I witness anyway by the way I live my life - by caring for others, being polite, and sharing what I have.
Jesus was a wonderful example of someone who didn't judge - he accepted them, and then waited to see how they assessed themselves. Think of how he was - friendly with tax collectors, prostitutes, rich men, poor men, the sick, the ostracised. He held out his hand to those in need - you hold out words of effront.
In the 1920s, Mikao Usui went out after the major earthquakes in Japan and tended the injured and displaced. Is this not a worthy role model? This is historical fact. This man was the founder of the system of Reiki. Is Buddhism satanic? This man was a dedicated Buddhist - a lover of peace and harmony. He also was a scholar, and in the opening up of Japan during the Meiji period, he studied various religions and was aware of Christianity (please do not hold it against him that he remainded true to the faith of his family from many generations - perhaps if you had been born Buddhist, you would not be part of this discussion).
Perhaps it is time to remember "Love thine enemy", "Love thy neighbour as thyself", not to mention that if you are without sin "cast the first stone", and the parable about one with the splinter in the eye, and the other with the log in his.
Part of me wonders how young you are, and what kind of life you have had, that you can be so damning in your comments, rather than demonstrating the compassion that the Christ you argue so vehemntly for, displayed throughout His Life. You may not want my prayers, but I include you anyway...
Sue,
You manifest a level of God's love and compassion of which I am incapable.
It does me good to read what you write.
Personally, I don't see any scientifically valid evidence for the effectiveness of Reiki. So what? I don't recall ever having read any studies proving conclusively that telling your mom her dinner wasn't well cooked is going to prevent your from getting desert, but I suspect few would challenge the statement...
Reiki definitely offers the benefits of being touched in a loving manner. Of having someone focus themselves utterly on your well being. I fail to understand how that can not be useful to an ill person's general well being. Someday, perhaps, we will have scientific studies to show that, yes, Reiki does help.
Until then, I think we should simply accept that it benefits the terminally ill, brings comfort and a human touch to their therapy and is, outside of this one Catholic Bishops conference, practiced and supported widely within the Church.
I don't see any practitioner of Reiki suggesting that patients stop following an allopathic course of treatment. Just the opposite. That, to me is reason enough to see this as a positive treatment.
You know, when I used to skin my knees, my mom would hug me, put a bandaid on and kiss the boo-boo. It made me feel better. Took away the sting of the Iodine, which my mother used copiously, having grown up in the bad old days when a small scratch could turn septic...
I can't prove that that loving moment made me better, but it sure felt like it did...and isn't that enough?
Not invented here seems to have become the mantra of conservative American Christians over the last 30 years or so. Maybe it is time to rethink.
==Mr "I", I would ask you to consider that your vitriole [sic]...==
What YOU INTERPRET, for whatever reason, as "vitriol."
==... is merely serving to alienate you from others in this forum.==
That they choose to alienate themselves from me is not my choice. It is not within my power to force them to alienate themselves. I'm pleased that you give me this power, but I don't have it, and I don't want it.
== If you really want people to consider your views with respect, then perhaps you could still express what you believe without being so provocative... ==
Jesus was provocative. Many people were turned off. So what? That doesn't mean He turned them off. They turn themselves off, based on their own agenda.
This is not a cumbaya session. This is a message board. A site for debate and discussion. People have provocative views, like those who claim to be homosexual. I have provocative views so what? We're invited to express them.
I'm not going to water down my views just because people choose not to consider them. They have their own reasons for considering, or not considering. They make the choice.
==I pray to God every day, and have done so since I was 2 years old. We have a personal relationship. I thank Him every day for every good thing, including the gift of Reiki.==
Except that God didn't give you that voodoo.
However, if it is a gift of God, you can give us the line of scriptural thought that proves this.
== I also raise my boys in a household where we speak of God openly. I thank God for all healing within my life, whether from a priest, my own body doing its God-given healing response, or a reiki practitioner, or a docter [sic].==
You were fine until you presented another gospel.
==If someone asks me my beliefs, I witness.==
More about that voodoo, or more about God? Tell us what the balances.
== If someone doesn't ask, I like to think I witness anyway by the way I live my life - by caring for others...==
Christ told those who are born again to care for others by giving them the Gospel. The Gospel is "love," as God intends it, through Christ.
==... being polite...==
Those who claim to be homosexual, their supporters and activists and other Liberals should take that cue.
==... and sharing what I have. ==
What's "what"?
==Jesus was a wonderful example of someone who didn't judge... ==
Except that He did, and He told those who are born again to "judge Righteous judgment -- that is, according to the Word of God. He told the unrighteous that they cannot judge cuz, inevitably, do the same things for which they judge others.
==... - he accepted them...==
No, He didn't. He didn't "accept" sinners. God doesn't accept sinners. He calls them to repentance. They must be born again. Only THEN, are they accepted.
==... and then waited to see how they assessed themselves.==
He railed against traditions of men. It is through the traditions of men that they assessed themselves. It is not their own assessment of themselves that is what He taught, rather God's assessment of them. He taught that they must see their condition before God before receiving the Offer of Reconciliation God sent through Him.
== Think of how he was - friendly with tax collectors, prostitutes, rich men, poor men, the sick, the ostracised. He held out his hand to those in need - you hold out words of effront.==
YOU take my posts that way. I'm not responsible for your conclusions. I'm not responsible for your thinking. I don't know why you give me that power. If I had that power, why didn't it work when I told people to vote Republican in the last election?
==In the 1920s, Mikao Usui went out after the major earthquakes in Japan and tended the injured and displaced.==
But not with the Word of God. He was operating on his own, for his own self. He was tapping his own power, not the power of God.
== Is this not a worthy role model? ==
Not according to the Word of God.
== This is historical fact. This man was the founder of the system of Reiki.==
So what? Charles Manson was founder of the system, too.
== Is Buddhism satanic?==
It is not of the Word of God. It is not of God. That which is not of God is of the Devil. If you don't agree, you have an argument with God. Take it up with Him.
== This man was a dedicated Buddhist - a lover of peace and harmony.==
So what? Being a lover of peace and harmony without God is not Godly. It is Godless.
==He also was a scholar, and in the opening up of Japan during the Meiji period, he studied various religions and was aware of Christianity... ==
God calls us not merely to be "aware" of Christianity.
==Perhaps it is time to remember "Love thine enemy"...==
Where God, through Jesus, tells us to love others, He means to give them what's necessary for their Salvation.
==... "Love thy neighbour as thyself"...==
That is, unselfish concern for the Salvation of others, as much concern about the Salvation of others, as I have for my own Salvation.
==... not to mention that if you are without sin "cast the first stone"...==
When Jesus said that, He was talking to the unrighteous, not the Righteous.
==... and the parable about one with the splinter in the eye, and the other with the log in his. ==
When Jesus talked about this, he was talking about unrighteousness, not righteousness. He was telling the unrighteous that they cannot judge, that they are not in the position to judge, because they, inevitably, do the same things for which they judge others.
He told the Righteous to "judge Righteous judgment" -- that is, according to the Word of God.
==Part of me wonders how young you are, and what kind of life you have had, that you can be so damning in your comments...==
I merely relate the Word of God. You see "damning" in what I write. I'm not responsible for that. You must take responsibility for your own thinking.
==... rather than demonstrating the compassion that the Christ you argue so vehemntly for...==
Why should I have compassion for those who say they are not sick? The well don't need a physician, do they?
The fact is that Jesus' compassion was for those who would die without Him. It was not a worldly compassion, as YOU promote. Don't worry, you're in good company cuz others promote worldly compassion and love, too, over the compassion of Christ. I don't.
==...You may not want my prayers, but I include you anyway...==
Everybody needs prayer. I pray every day for me and for others that He will guide us. I know He has answered my prayer for guidance.
Whatever your religion or beliefs are, we are all one here. I believe that prayer is about intention. If we keep our intentions aligned with goodness, peace prevails. Prayer is sending out energy. Reiki is not affilated with any particular religion or religous practice. Reiki energy is not based on belief or suggestion. Its the spiritual life force that directs itself where needed. I am a Reiki practioner and Reiki is drawing in the universal life force energy will all have access too. I have seen miracles happen with the power of Reiki and inner peace.
I believe peace starts within to make this world a better place and inner peace can create a better way of life on many levels.
Reiki Usui Principles:
I give thanks for my many blessings
Just for today I will not anger
Just for today I will not worry
I will do my work honestly
I will be kind to people and every living thing
May all who enter here be blessed
Namaste
Mr “I”, the truly incredible people on this planet are the ones who go out and assist others when needed, without the desire for recognition, recompense, or reward, which is exactly what Mikao Usui did after the earthquakes in Japan that I referred to earlier. Yet you accuse him of selfishness. I wonder how you can be so confident of this. Is everyone who ISN’T CHRISTIAN who gives to charities, works in shelters, volunteers with drug and alcohol rehab, works in third world countries, sponsors children who are badly off, gives generously and freely of time, skills, resources, and money, are all these people doing these things for selfish reasons? I don’t believe so.
You say I indulge in something that is of satanic attraction and that I gave my praise for healing to a reiki practitioner and a doctor rather than God. I thought it was pretty clear that I believed that ultimately, the healing came from God. If it will make you feel better, here it is... Praise God - I am healthy!
You also asked about “what” I include when I witness. That is about God, Christ, and a personal relationship. What do you include when you witness? I suspect we may cover a lot of the same ground. I try to use language however, that doesn’t make people feel as though they are being bashed around the head and force-fed a point of view. I am clear, concise, and polite.
All I ever asked you to do on this forum was temper your language. I did not ask you to change your point of view. I suggested it might be helpful for others to see your point of view more clearly if you changed your language. If you don’t want to do so, that’s your prerogative.
But do not confuse a personal sense of righteousness with that of righteous judgement. I will await the conclusion of my life to see how I am judged, and I will “judge not, lest ye be also judged.”
I am sure that God can forgive me any transgression - Christ forgave those who repented, regardless of what their sins were. If it turns out that I have sinned by being deceived into believing that Reiki is a gift from God, I am sure he can forgive that transgression. After all, I did ask Him about it when I was praying for guidance (ahhh, but you think I wasn’t really talking with Him...) Well, I asked. I certainly haven’t been told otherwise (and I do hear that still small voice - even Roman Catholics talk about listening to your conscience).
Doesn’t yours bother you sometimes? I know when mine bothers me, and in terms of Reiki, there has only ever been a strong positive response.
Thank you, God, for your many blessings in this life, including that of Reiki. Thank you most of all, for the on-going relationship we have, where I can bring anything to you, and You answer - even if it isn’t always the answer I might have hoped for! Like the child hoping to hear “yes”, it is sometimes “no”, and this I accept and act upon.
I agree with the posting. I am a Reiki Master/Practitioner and have been so since 1987. I have given sessions to women with cancer; both in the home setting and in the hospice setting. I have found when prayer is added through compassion the energy is stronger. Why would anyone deny a patient who is suffering, the gift of receiving a Reiki session which will bring peace and relief from pain.......?
What everyone doesn't understand is reiki isn't a religion. It is a form of alternative healing. It does help. Our hospitals around here have been using it. I guess the people who where using it in the catholic hospitals and it was working on them would miss it. I guess priest are going to come sit at hospitals and "pray" over everyone.....sad news this is....
Maybe the Cathloic Bishops should try a reiki session and feel the wave of energy go through their bodies and they try and explain how it works.
To deny all Catholics the benefit of this beautiful energy is something I as A CATHOLIC and a REIKI MASTER can not accept.
Maybe the bishops should go against the drug companies who are making billions and keeping us sick for profit.
Maybe the bishops should figure out why we can't keep believers in the Catholic church why we are losing our young to no religion or joining other religions.
Maybe the bishops can look into why we can't get young men to join the priesthood, or why they are afraid to have lay people involved more.
But, to calll Reiki superstitious or against the teachings of the catholic without knowing anything about the way our bodies have a natual way of healing is not right.
How do our cuts heal?? What animates us? Its the energy in and around us.
Reiki is a gentle energy that causes deep relaxation and helps our bodies heal ourselves.
I get to feel this energy everday and it helps with my chronic pain.
just thought i would share my opinion.
Its unfortunate to observe such fear coming from high clergy within the Catholic church. There is no other explanation except fear for such accusations being made by the bishops. We are all Divine sons and daughters and empowered through Christ Consciousness! Ofcourse we can heal ourselves and assist in the healing of others, it is our inheritance. Jesus claims this as such in the New Testament. Reiki is NOT religious based, it is a God-given gift that each person has within themself. I was born and raised Catholic and I am an Usui Reiki practitioner and an Angelic Reiki Master/Teacher. I have no guilt or doubts about providing and believing in the healing power of Reiki, because I know that it comes from Divine Source. People that come out against Reiki do so out of fear and a lack of knowledge. They would rather believe someone elses belief systems instead of forming their own.
To ALL Reiki practitioners and receivers...we don't need to get caught up in this drama, we are the observers, the do-ers, the movers and the shakers, and when all else fails (for example our healthcare system) we will prevail through the One True Source of Divine Love & Compassion.
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