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The Less Palin Is Attacked, the Less Conservatives Like Her?

posted by swaldman | 5:16pm Tuesday March 3, 2009

I was struck that Sarah Palin did so poorly in the straw poll of conservatives (13%, tied with Ron Paul) at the big conservative confab this weekend. It may be that participants were just annoyed that she didn’t show up but I also wonder whether we have another Dan Quayle scenario. Conservatives rallied around Quayle because he was mocked by liberal elites. But when he actually went out on his own and presented himself as a leader of the Republican Party in 2000, he fizzled (came in 8th in the Ames Iowa straw poll).
It turns out that conservatives loved him because liberals loathed him. It also turns out that, while useful, that’s not quite enough.



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Robert

posted March 3, 2009 at 7:48 pm


As a Democrat, I have to say thank you for this remarkable insight. I love Sarah Palin.



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pagansister

posted March 3, 2009 at 8:20 pm


Since Palin is no longer a target, those who like to fight for a person just because they are being picked on, have nothing to fight for.



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Your Name

posted March 3, 2009 at 8:25 pm


Between Azziz’s imputing of anti-Jindal comments by Palin supporters and this weak reading of a McLaughlin/Fabrizio outfit, you really aught to call yourselves Gullibility.net. Even an informal poll of CPAC attendees would have told you where ‘their hearts and minds’ supported. Robert, if you are so enthusiastic for her to be the candidate; even though she predicted exactly the course we would be
on, just six months on; talk up her positive qualities.



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Anon

posted March 3, 2009 at 8:44 pm


Wow, what a terrible post.
I don’t know where to begin …
First of all, Sarah Palin was not in attendance at CPAC and that poll means absolutely nothing in determining a future candidate. Romney has won three years in a row, hasn’t work out for him.
Second, your comparison to Dan Quayle is so wrong that it is almost comical that you tried to make it.
Dan Quayle drew 20,000 people to rallies?
Dan Quayle drew some of the highest television ratings for his convention speech and debates?
Dan Quayle makes news when he doesn’t show up for an event?
NO
Wow, just terrible.
Do you actually get paid to write this stuff? If so, somebody is wasting good money.



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Your Name

posted March 3, 2009 at 8:48 pm


That is a silly assumption. Those of us who support Governor Palin support her for her policies and what she has accomplished in Alaska. You forget to mention that 13% was third place and she wasn’t even present at CPAC. In my book and many other’s, that is a pretty good showing. In addition, CPAC hasn’t picked the republican nominee for president correctly in years. Though we do rally behind her when she is mocked, our support is based on he values and her successes our rallying is meant to get the correct message out.



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Danielle

posted March 3, 2009 at 8:56 pm


You cannot be serious.
I wonder. When the amount of money she has raised with her PAC is released in a month are you going to come back and apologize for being such a transparant hack.



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Jan

posted March 3, 2009 at 10:01 pm


Are you a closet liberal?
POTUS is crashing as fast as the stock market and right now nobody cares about you trashing the governor. You will have to wait awhile to get your liberal food stamp of approval.
The kooks are in 24/7 damage control because of their incompetent Obe.
Why don’t you relax and read the Guv’s comic book, if you can find one.



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JohnQ

posted March 3, 2009 at 10:50 pm


It appears from the comments that the Palinites DO, indeed, become more animated and outspoken when Palin is criticized. Thank you for the demonstration!



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Gerard Nadal

posted March 4, 2009 at 12:08 am


Well, I guess we conservatives are too gullible to realize that we’re too gullible. Who knew that we only felt sorry for a girl being picked on? The next time we think we have someone who reflects our principled values, I’m sure we’ll be returned to our senses by a reminder of the Palin episode.



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Robert

posted March 4, 2009 at 12:26 am


“Robert, if you are so enthusiastic for her to be the candidate; even though she predicted exactly the course we would be
on, just six months on; talk up her positive qualities.”
As a politician, Sarah Palin has no positive qualities. Her nomination to be VP was a disgrace to John McCain and the Republican party. She may, however, be qualified to shoot moose. Do you not recognize sarcasm?



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iac

posted March 4, 2009 at 3:05 am


I think that what is exercising the “Palinites” here is the stupidity of your posting. Fewer than 20% of those who attended CPAC took part in the straw poll. It was possible to vote more than once. And big surprise, one of those who actually spoke at the conference, and whose supporters attended because of that, actually led the poll. Incidentally, 80% of those who bothered to vote didn’t vote for the winner, rendering any attempt to see the poll results as meaningful an utterly futile exercise.



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Destiny True

posted March 4, 2009 at 3:09 am


Okay let’s see. There were 9,000 attendees at CPAC and less than 2,000 participated in the STRAW poll. And since it’s a STRAW poll it’s not scientific. You figure also the majority of those polled were Men almost 60% of the poll were Men that should tell you how credible that STRAW poll is.
What’s more telling is the fact that she didn’t show up at CPAC and she was able to garner 13% of the support of those who PARTICIPATED in the poll. Just remember less than 1,800 people CHOSE to participate in the STRAW poll at CPAC out of 9,000.
Also CNN released a poll before CPAC that shows Sarah Palin in the lead. And in CNN’s poll it shows her with a 10 point advantage among Women. The CNN poll is more scientific than the CPAC STRAW Poll. And CPAC does NOT speak for Republicans nor of the state of the GOP.
And attacks on Sarah Palin have not ceased. However, attacks on Rush, Jindal, & Steele have increased. So this bit of opinion that you’ve written seems to be foolish as well as the comments that try and put Sarah Palin down.
Her facebook has gained more than 30,000 supporters in less than 2 weeks. She still has an advantage over anyone in that Straw Poll at CPAC. So once again your hypothesis looks very foolish.



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narciso lopez

posted March 4, 2009 at 9:36 am


No what angered us, were the lie you try to put forward, like the previous one put forward by Azziz, with virtually no proof, but two posterw who probably were ‘moby’ or those ‘concerned conservatives’
that seem to emerge from Axelrod’s bag of tricks. Wherever we will see
a falsehood, one challenges it. She was prophetic about exactly what would come to pass, so they tried to neutralize her, using Alinsky’s rule # 12.



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Steven Waldman

posted March 4, 2009 at 10:03 am


Wow. Didn’t think this one would touch quite such a nerve. I really wasn’t intending to make a big point about the MERITS of Sarah Palin. My point is simple: part of Palin’s appeal was the sense that she’s standing up for your values in the face of liberal mockery. When the attacks subside, SOME of the thrill of Palin subsides too
to take an example from the other side of the aisle. Bill Clinton was floundering after the monica lewinsky scandal UNTIL he got impeached when the attacks generated huge sympathy and he became someone ‘fighting against unfair attacks’ instead of the guy who had just committed adultery in the white house. Marion Barry in DC made a career out of generating support by highlighting the attacks on him.
That cnn poll, I think, proves my point. Given the huge crowds she draws — and the failure of huck and romney during the campaign — i was rather surprised that Palin wasn’t trouncing them in the poll. Instead its quite close. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/27/cnn-poll-gop-2012-gender-gap-use-this-version/
Palin is a more skilled politician than Quayle. But I do think his case is instructive. When it comes to an internal fight within the Republican Party, she’s going to be able to rely less on this boomarang effect. I also think there’s a group of people in the Republican party who defended her adamantly at the time but who realize that she probably cost the ticket more than she gained it and dont want to take that chance again.



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Gerard Nadal

posted March 4, 2009 at 10:26 am


Steven,
“When the attacks subside, SOME of the thrill of Palin subsides too.”
What you describe is not at all a function of Palin’s appeal, or the circumstances particular to this election. It is simply not reasonable to expect the sustained excitement over any candidate immediately after an election that was lost. Nixon is a good example. He lost to Kennedy in a squeaker and seemed headed for the dust bin of history, only to return eight years later and win in a landslide.
Right now, the stock market is down 25% since the election, 20% since inauguration day. There are several immediate issues that occupy the concerns of conservatives. It’s simply impractical to try to sustain excitement over any candidate with the next election cycle not ramping up for at least 2.5 years.
Obama may very well enhance the appeal of Palin’s conservatism, much as Jimmy Carter did for Ronald Reagan, who came back from a defeat in the ’76 Convention to win in a landslide against the Carter record.



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Your Name

posted March 4, 2009 at 11:36 am


I didn’t read all the comments, but enough to know that Palin supporters twist themselves into all kinds of contortions to explain Palin’s poor showing at CPAC.
Everyone at CPAC knows Palin well enough to vote for her or not – no matter that she was not present. She likely ticked off some supporters when she skipped the House Republican retreat, and lied about why she could not attend. She said she had pressing Alaska business, but showed up in DC the same weekend to hob-knob with power people, including Obama. (She also found time to lobby for the stimulus bill that weekend, but quickly came home and did a 180.)
Add to that the train-wreck interview with Bristol and Palin telling us having an out-of-wedlock baby is hunky dory. Let’s just say the last few weeks have not been kind to Palin.
1700 people voted, Romney won handily. The CPAC voters represent conservatives from every state – with a high number of young people. I like that they can see through Palin. Contrary to what one commenter suggested, you cannot vote more than once at CPAC.
Romney is quietly doing the work of rebuilding the party and articulating (with eloquence) what the GOP needs to do to take America back from the brink of destruction. Let’s hope there something left in 4 years for Mr. Fix-It to save.



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Curth

posted March 4, 2009 at 1:12 pm


You must be kidding. Someone from CPAC, I cannot remember who it was , said that they had close to 2000 people cancel once it was announced that Governor Palin was not going to appear. Only a fool would put any faith in the CPAC poll . She won a CNN poll and the last time I checked CNN was about as liberal as it gets. Your veil slipped here. To mention her name with Quayle is silly at this point.That smear failed long ago. For the record, Romney won the last three CPAC polls. Meaning? Not a damn thing. Governor Palin rocks.



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MarcM

posted March 4, 2009 at 6:53 pm


“Right now, the stock market is down 25% since the election, 20% since inauguration day. ”
Yep…it’s amazing what eight years of Bush has done to this country. Funny thing is, the GOP members of Congress were trying to blame Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter for the economy going south. Now they are trying to blame Barack Obama.
For once I would like to see a Republican stand up and say that they messed up. You know, personal responsiblity…like they expect other people to exhibit.
Gerard…can you find it within yourself to blame Bush for anything, ANYTHING at all without putting a “but then…” after it?



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MarcM

posted March 4, 2009 at 6:55 pm


“Governor Palin rocks.”
Here’s your sign…



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Gerard Nadal

posted March 4, 2009 at 7:13 pm


MarcM
Yes, five years ago when Bush was warning against the subprime mortgage mess, he shouldn’t have dropped the issue when it wasn’t gaining any traction. He was wrong not to stand up to Barney Frank, who was telling us that everything was rosy, as late as last August.
Bush was wrong to allow the media and the Democrats to get away with the lie that he fabricated the evidence on WMD in Iraq, when he was furnished with the WMD list that Hans Blix, the UN WMD Chief Inspector himself had compiled.
Bush was wrong to be so timid about Social Security Reform. He should have stayed the course.
Bush was wrong not to put an additional 150,000 troops on the ground in Iraq to secure the borders.
Bush was wrong to sign off on a $750 Billion bailout to the banks without strict rules governing the use of those monies. It was like handing the money to a bunch of heroin addicts in need of their next fix.
Bush was wrong to try and save the no money-down mortgages of people who will not be able to pay them five and ten years down the line.
The markets are reacting to Obama’s policies. I hope he’s listening.
How’s that Marc? No “But then….”
God Bless



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Sacramento Bea

posted March 5, 2009 at 4:00 pm


“Conservatives rallied around Quayle because he was mocked by liberal elites.”
Steve, Quayle wasn’t just mocked by “liberal elites” [spit!]; he was mocked by Grade three students too. And rightly so.



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Peter Andrew

posted March 7, 2009 at 11:26 pm


The Official Sarah Palin fan club still is going (and growing) strong! Palin is no Quayle. The liberals hope she is, because they want her to go away like Dan did. Not this time, “Sacramento Bea.” All these years later and people like “Sacramento Bea” still are repeating untruths. Yes he spelled a word wrong. Did you ever hear that the word was spelled wrong on the card the teacher gave him? Couldn’t have been a teacher’s union way to attack, right? Nah. Why would they do that? Gag.
visit the only Official Sarah Palin Fan Club at http://ConservativeAmerican.org.



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