Steven Waldman

Why Joel Osteen Avoided Being Called an "Evangelical"

Monday April 13, 2009

In our interview, Joel Osteen mostly steered clear of controversy. (My full take on his recession-proof message here; full transcript here). But given that he seems the very model of a modern major mega-church preacher, Osteen may raise some eyebrows...
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Appalachian Prof
April 13, 2009 8:29 PM

He avoids the topic because if he's typical of his background, he just doesn't have the intellectual knowledge base and logical equipment to defend traditional Christian ideas. "The Bible says so" is simply not a defensible position, and he knows it, deep down in his heart, where he keeps his "joy, joy, joy, joy" (This is a SONG reference, for those of you who did not grow up with this stuff). Hence his waffling. What he needs is the Tradition, and actual theology and philosophy, and by that I mean REAL philosophy, not "Evangelical" accommodationism.

Your Name
April 13, 2009 10:39 PM

I agree with Osteen. He is not a one size fits all preacher -- then again, the Apostle Paul's ministry was quite different from the Apostle Peter's or James. I think most people admire Osteen because he is unafraid to preach about a good and loving God that wants the best for those who believe. Most preachers don't preach sermons that dwell on God's goodness because they dont' know how to explain why bad things happen to good people. How can they preach to their congregation that God loves them and then explain why children die of cancer. So they call God vengeful and they preach a "gospel of dispair." Then they criticize Joel Osteen because he is doing what they cannot. It takes guts to preach God's goodness. Good for you Joel Osteen!

Your Name
April 14, 2009 4:12 PM

Luke 9:49-51 tells of a person the diciples met who was casting out demons in the name of Christ. They forbade the individual because he was not a follower of their particular Group. Jesus' answer to them in verse 50 claifies his position. "Forbid him not, for he that is not against us is for us. I find that Joel Osteen stays in the category where he is gifted and where he is called. Every minister is called to reach a specific group of people and like Noah and Paul to preach a specific message. His happens to be the love of Christ. I repeat Christ's words, "Forbid him not, he who is not against us is for us."

Amen

Julie
April 16, 2009 5:18 PM

I would also not want to be known as an evangelical. What ever happened to Christian?

"there was a time where I thought I don't want to be known as "an evangelical" because at the time that meant you were a Republican that was against everything. I think that's changed. That was a few years back."

Osteen is wrong about Republicans no longer being against everything - at least the ones the make the headlines. The supposed party of values only proposal is to reduce taxes by 10% for the wealthy and cut funding for education.It is sad to watch members of Congress and their leaders- Limbaugh, Hannity, Glen Beck, and other fill people with hate and misinformation.

Dobson and Warren are unbelieveable. Warren is a liar and a hypocrite. I lost total respect for Warren when he called mainline church members, "Marxist in Christian clothing."

I have only half-way listened to Olsteen, but I completely agreed with, "I'm not going to force anything down their throats."

I think it drives people away from churches.

I do think individuals such as Olsteen should have address the unjust war, torture, and starving individuals.

Your Name
April 19, 2009 4:09 AM

The reason Joel doesn't come straight out and tell you that homosexuality is an abomination to God is because he does not want to seem Judgemental towards a snsitive group of people.

churchmouse
April 25, 2009 1:01 PM

Osteen preaches a soft gospel, if any gospel at all. He won't tackle the sin issues because he can't take the chance of losing pew sitters. So he like Rick Warren should talk about what God says, especially about sin, but they don't because like Obama it's above their pay grade, it's not their thing. Everything in the Bible should be a Christians thing. But for these mega pastors......got to keep those tithes coming in, got to say the politically correct thing, got to preach what people want to hear so they can leave church feeling good about themselves. I thought we went to church to GLORIFY GOD? Someone in their church should point that out to them.

Christ talked about hell more than he ever talked about anything else. He came for the sinner and thats everyone. The scriptures make it plainly clear what sin is. Osteen and Warren should concentrate more about this. They should take the Great Commission more seriously. Neither one cares about abortion, the single most controversial issue of our day. They could make a difference in this area but they won't, for selfish reasons.

I pray that God changes their hearts.

Your Name
May 11, 2009 10:41 AM

churchmouse,

We pray God will change your "heart" (and "mind"), but we are not holding our breath.

"Everything in the Bible should be a Christians thing."

Including the part that says we should put disobedient children to death? The part that says we should put the victims of incest to death? The part that says we should deny communion to the disabled? The part that says women should not be allowed to preach or teach in the Church? The part that says eating shrimp is "an abomination"? The part with the talking snake? The part with the talking donkey? The part with the living in the belly of a great fish for 3 days? The part about getting one's father drunk and having sex with him?

Are "Christians" and their "thing" that naive/gullible?

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