“Does James Dobson feel that her nude photography makes her a less compelling role model for conservative Christian values?”
The funny thing is that just about all her photos would not be considered by our culture to be nudity or semi-nudity if it had been done by someone else with liberal values on the cover of SI. So, I scoff at liberals suddenly turning prudes and claiming these are nudity or semi-nudity to accuse her of lying. That’s garbage. That’s dishonest of them.
And if these were all in the past and she was truthful in saying she regretted them, then guess what? If she is a Christian, then under God’s word, she can still be role model for conservative Christian values, aside from issue of being part of MISS USA, where folks can rightfully state she showed more skin there than any of her photos (either to argue against her being role model or to argue against hypocrisy of liberals attacking her or both).
In the Christian worldview, we are all sinners and all of us have sinful pasts. Even when we believe, while our minds and hearts are renewed to desire to obey God, we remain sinners, who are forgiven and striving to not sin, though from time to time, we do sin.
If her past disqualified her, then everybody in the Bible, except Christ, and everyone of us now are disqualified.

I really do not think anyone has made her a “role model” for conservative Christian values. The only think that she is a “role model” for is for speaking your voice freely in America. That’s what she did.
It just so happened that she also happened to be a Christian, and because of it, liberals have tried to disgrace her, which they always do to conservatives and Christians. They believe that if they can destroy their reputation enough (by exploiting their failures, flaws, or sins), that it will thus either cause them to be silent and hide away where they cannot influence anyone (think Sarah Palin) or they can cause others to believe that a person’s opinions and views are not worth taking seriously or hearing if that person is a “hypocrite.”
With Carrie Prejean, the fact that she has posed for those photos and is a “beauty” queen should not in any way negate what happened to her nor does it somehow default her opinion on same-sex marriage. The bottom line of all of this is that she spoke her opinion, and she didn’t slam anyone… she answered a question where the judge asked for her opinion… but as a result, she was torn to pieces.
So, ultimately, I think she is a role model because she has shown courage under fire. Because what we have see is the attempt to destroy someone who gave an opposing opinion, and we’ve seen this before. We’ve seen a young woman who was suddenly thrust into the spotlight all because of her simple answer which happened to be “conservative” and from a Biblical perspective. What we’ve seen is a double standard. Homosexuals want tolerance but yet, they will not tolerate others like Prejean. So, I think she is a role model because she is someone who has suffered persecution for her Biblical beliefs. That’s the bottom line.
Whether the photos were right or wrong are really, in many ways, irrelevant. I mean, alot of these people crying “foul” over the photos are people who pose for far worse photos themselves or view far worse photos. They are using the photos as a way to destroy her character so that others will think… oh, she’s a hypocrite, so her opinion is hypocritical and meaningless.
But aren’t we all hypocrites? Show me the perfect Christian with the spotless life. Well, I do know some very upstanding Christians, but our failures don’t negate our belief or the morality of marriage and the immorality of homosexuality.
I, myself, as a woman would never pose for any photos like that, and I also dress modestly and don’t even wear bikinis. But none of us knows Carrie enough to “judge” her Christianity… she could be an immature Christian who maybe, through this, will eventually mature in her understanding of modesty, etc. There are MANY young Christian women like her who are tempted and swayed by the world’s values and emphasis on appearance. But again, her immodesty doesn’t diminish the fact that she has shown great strength and courage in the face of extreme hostility and hatred and slander and harassment… and all of that hostility/hatred, etc. has been directed at her for her Christian beliefs on marriage. And in that sense, she very much is a role model that we can admire.
She is a role model because I think in the future, we are going to face what she has faced, and we will be forced to make decisions as she has. We will either “bow” to culture and be politically correct so as not to offend anyone and go through what she has, or we will not “bow” and we will “speak the TRUTH in love” and in so doing, possibly be persecuted as she has been, as Paul and Stephen were (in the Bible), as many have been.
Christians are becoming one of the most hated groups in America, and as homosexuals gain in their agendas and as a liberal D.C. makes more headway into people’s homes and lives and as people live very lukewarm American lives, it’s becoming harder and harder to be a Biblical Christian. And so Carrie is a role model as someone who didn’t back down out of fear, who didn’t allow herself to be bullied, but yet, who also didn’t act with hate or even anger.
I personally disagree with her decisions about posing in lingerie and bikinis; however, I greatly admire her for saying what she did on a stage in front of thousands and for then, continuing to say what she has… despite the slander, the harrassment, the hate, the mistreatment, etc. I admire her courage, grace, and strength and really feel that yes, she is a role model, but she’s not a role model for “conservative Christian values.” Rather, she is a role model for free speech and Christian perseverance, and hers is a story of how Christians will be treated when they speak things that are Biblical and also it’s a story of how homosexuals will not tolerate those who don’t accept or support their agendas or lifestyles.
There’s a lot to learn and think about in this whole thing. It has made me really think alot and reflect, and I think this is only one story of many more to come. Christians in America being treated like this will become more commonplace, esp. women. I think women get it worse. Both Prejean and Palin were just literally crucified in such unbelievably slanderous and malicious ways, that you know there is also sexism involved.
It’s all very frightening to me. This country is changing and watching what happened to Prejean is just a reflection of it.

Oh, and by saying “no one has made her a role model for conservative values,” I don’t think Christian groups, like Focus on the Family, has. Just because they interview someone and applaud their courage and conviction doesn’t mean they have made them a role model. I think it’s mostly liberals who keep saying that she’s become the “role model” for the “right.”
They are just trying to prove their point that the “right” is mostly Christians and of course, conservative, and that the right/Christians/conservatives are hypocrites. That’s always their point to prove which is why they dig up the past on people and/or shame them somehow (Sarah Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy, Joe the Plumber’s taxes, Prejean’s photos). Even though they themselves are hypocrites in so many ways, they like to point out the hypocrisy of the right/Christians because these are people who believe in God and they equate belief in God to following a set of rules, and so if any Christian “breaks” the “rules,” it thus, makes them hypocrites. What they don’t understand is the grace of God, the sinfulness of all men, etc.
But they believe that if they can prove that all Christians are just a bunch of hateful hypocrites, then God does not really exist and their aren’t moral laws (like ones regarding homosexuality) and Christians are just fools who are self-righteous and judgemental. There’s a lot of underlying things going on.
And you need to also remember, there IS a spiritual battle, there IS an enemy, and he “seeks to devour” and he isn’t stupid and ultimately, life comes down to your choice to follow and believe in Christ or your choice to reject him. And the enemy deceives and blinds and tempts and destroys. So I don’t know about anyone else, but I personally see a huge spiritual battle in which the enemy is rejoicing over Christians like Prejean being “destroyed” by people who claim there is no God, etc. These people are only hardening their hearts more and more, growing colder and colder, more and more wicked and hateful, etc. And the enemy loves it.
So, is it even of any worth for us to sit here and debate whether or not Dobson, etc. has made Prejean a role model and should she be, etc. Shouldn’t we be more concerned about the spiritual battle that is waging and the fact that the enemy is trying very hard to destroy a nation that was founded on the Bible and belief/reverence for God, and the more liberal and accepting of sin and deviancy we become, the more depraved and wicked we become and the colder we grow towards God and any good thing that comes from Him. That is of much more concern to me than whether Prejean should or shouldn’t be labeled a “role model.”

Amen sisters. You guys have put things so much into perspective that there is nary a voice that can stifle you. I must say that I agree with EVERYTHING that was said. The way that these two women were attacked by the loose morals of this nation is like something out of the Salem Witch Trials. I cannot put things as eloquently as either of you but what you have said is 100 percent biblically, morally and politically correct. I believe that we are nearing that time in the bible when we will be persecuted and eventually be put to death for our belief in the Lord our God. This is just the beginning and satan has got a lot more tricks up his sleeve but when it is all said and done those that KNOW the truth are going to be rewarded for standing strong and not faltering when the chips are down. The Lord is going to see that you have taken a stand for his sacrificial lambs and you will be rewarded for even the little things. I applaud your insight into this matter and hope to hear more of your views on other subjects. Your input helped me to put things into a way that I can speak intelligently on the subject. Thank You.

oops sorry punisher didnt mean to make it sound like you were female. I mistakenly said sisters. I meant sister to SARAH. Sorry bout that again.I did mean that you cant argue with your point of view though.

regardless of her answer she should be miss america on looks alone. she is a beaut and per e-z is jealuos that god never gave him that kind of beauty. he should just man up and quit acting like a girl

The question is not whether she spoke up or is a beauty or is a spokesperson or any of that junk. The FACT is she says she is a Christian, yet she not only lied about the fact that she did nude photos, when she was found out, she lied some more. She did not, that I know of, confess her “sin” and ask forgiveness from anyone. She just continued to lie. Not only one violation of the commandment, but several. Whether other people have a problem with her because of other things, I as a Christian have a problem with her inability to confess (admit) her error, tell the truth and ask for forgiveness. If she lied about this, is she really the Christian she says she is. And do we need a liar as a representative for America? What will this teach our children? That if you’re beautiful, you can lie and it’s allright with us? It’s not what I want my children to learn.

Calling yourself a Christian and dressing like a harlot will not get God’s blessing but His curse. May God open her eyes.

You’re very right, Reverend Claudia. And it could further be asked, do we need someone parading around immodestly as a “role model” for our already vulnerable daughters?
I’m not just talking about modesty of dress here (although it’s true that Prejean needs to keep her clothes on). I’m talking about modesty of character as well. This means coming clean about whatever lies she’s told, and not blaming the media or the photographers for “exploiting her”. This is really a teachable moment for us and our daughters, for all of us to be reminded that real beauty is found in integrity of character, not in breast implants or bikinis.

Sarah, you do not speak for all Christians. Many Christians disagree with you and with Carrie Prejean. Many Christians support gay and lesbian equality, and same-sex marriage, and we do so from a Biblical perspective (as well as an ethical and moral one). Whine all you want, but Christians are neither hated nor persecuted in this country. Intolerance and ignorance are. So if you and Carrie Prejean are going to open your mouths in support of bigotry, be prepared to take the consequences. Homophobia is a sin, no less than racism and misogyny. Yes, we have freedom of speech in this country. But hate speech will always ignite a backlash, and deservedly so.

Sarah said:
“Christians are becoming one of the most hated groups in America, and as homosexuals gain in their agendas and as a liberal D.C. makes more headway into people’s homes and lives and as people live very lukewarm American lives, it’s becoming harder and harder to be a Biblical Christian. And so Carrie is a role model as someone who didn’t back down out of fear, who didn’t allow herself to be bullied, but yet, who also didn’t act with hate or even anger.”
OK.
Wow.
I know that conservative Christians frequently deny the salvation of those of us who are gay and Christian. This is a serious usurpation of God’s sole authority and one which should trouble all Christians greatly.
Everytime time I encounter it, tho’, it stuns me anew.
Truly, honestly – do you, Sarah and A believer and all the other Christians here who say my marriage is not real, who actually deny my Salvation, insist that only those who share your personal interpretation of the Bible are truly Christians?
That is the only logical conclusion one may draw when you make such statements as “Christians are becoming one of the most hated groups in America”.
There is a very large number of Christians in America who do not share your views, do not interpret the Bible as you do and who do not stand opposed to gay marriage. The only “hatred” these Christians are experiencing is from people like you.
Please, an answer from you folks would be very good indeed. Do you truly claim the authority to deny Salvation?
Do you truly claim that all other Christians, whether gay or heterosexual are non-Christian because they support our human rights?
Wow.

When asked what is her ‘personal opinion’ on gay marriage, she said: 1) she’s happy/proud/delighted/thankful to live in a country in which you can choose [actually only in a few states can you choose, but she seems to think that it is a good idea!]; 2) she believes that marriage should be between a man and woman; and 3) that she was raised to believe #2.
#1 sounds reasonably progressive. She’s more than conceding that valid ballots, elections, and propositions which are procedurally fair are a good way to decide controversial issues and that we should take pride in living in a country where we have fair processes which inspire confidence and whose results we are willing to abide by even though we may disagree with the substantive outcome. Take a look at Iran and how many people died. Don’t agree with me just because I am using a few fancy terms. She’s speaking simply and from her heart and seems to have benevolent sentiments. What more do you want? If she talked about procedural fairness as being the best we can do with regards to controversial issues such as gay marriage, she would have been condemned as a pretentious poseur or a “miss know it all.”
#2 She was asked for her personal view. What do you want her to say? There is a story about a mischievous child who went to a wise man and asked him whether the bird in his hand is dead or alive. If the wise man said it was alive, the boy would crush it before opening his hand. If the wise man said the bird is dead, the boy would crush it before opening his hand. The wise man told the boy the answer to the question is in his hand. In his hand. Literally and figuratively. The lady is being persecuted for being honest and thinking that she didn’t have to outsmart some people who sound kind of evil. Put yourselves in her shoes at her age and given her very difficult family background. I am not sure any one of us who could have been more authentic than her about a different issue which is as controversial as the one she was asked to address. I have nodded my head in agreement when racists and prejudiced people insulted my religion and my own family because I didn’t want to hurt their feelings. I can assure you that you would have a very difficult time trying to convince anyone that she should have nodded her head, smiled and given P Hilton a fake answer that would please him but easily alienate more than half of the population in the country no matter how wrong they might be in their belief.
#3 The poor lady felt that she had to compensate for or validate on national TV what seems to have been a dysfunctional family by saying that she had been raised to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. The critical word is ‘raised.’ From what has made the news, it seems she may have raised herself as best as she could under the circumstances.
Instead of condemning her we should all be concerned about her because given her family background, age, modeling, and her being drafted as a foot soldier in a nasty fight over a controversial issue, there is a possibility she may end up heading in a direction that will make it harder for her to find a stable happy life which is what I hope and assume everyone wishes for her. Her modest, inoffensive confidence in speaking should not be construed as oppressive bravado that should be matched with “bring her down a notch” cruelty. I have been there and done that. And I can tell you even in a case where someone deserved to be insulted, upon hearing a few years later of that person’s death, one will feel ashamed for having had the last word even though no one will deny you deserved to have it. If Ms. Prejean were to die or get hurt badly tomorrow, it will take a brute of a person not to feel some regret for having insulted and unfairly criticized her, especially considering how polite she has been throughout this unpleasant ordeal. Unlike most of her critics, it is she who has had the last word and the last word has always been a kind, Christian one.

So, Christian women aren’t allowed to be hot? Blame that idiot Hilton, who posed the inappropriate question and didn’t get the PC answer he expected.