The Capps Amendment and the Pitts Amendment on Abortion & Health Care (Complete Text)
Friday July 31, 2009
The House Energy and Commerce Committee wrestling with health care last night narrowly approved one measure ("The Capps Amendment") claiming to be neutral on abortion -- but which opponents claimed was slanted toward the pro-choice side. Then they narrowly voted...
There is lot of evidence that "preserving the status quo" is not at all what the pro-choice side is after here.
It goes back to when Barack Obama appeared before the Planned Parenthood Action Fund in 2007, and said, "Well, look, in my mind reproductive care is essential care, basic care so it is at the center, the heart of the plan that I propose . . . insurers are going to have to abide by the same rules in terms of providing comprehensive care, including reproductive care . . . that's going to be absolutely vital."
Then there was a document, "Advancing Reproductive Rights and Health in a New Administration" that was sent to the Obama Transition Team not long after the election, which the Transition posted on the Internet. It said about health care reform, “Comprehensive benefits must include access to the full range of reproductive health services, including contraception, maternity care, and abortion care.” That paper was signed by Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and 60 or so other pro-choice groups.
Then in April the president of Planned Parenthood, Cecile Richards, went on National Public Radio and said that the health care reform bill would provide a "platform" to extend access to abortion to "all women and families."
Next, the National Abortion Federation (a trade association of abortion providers) put out a position paper that said, "NAF supports health care reform as a way to increase access to comprehensive reproductive health care, including abortion care, for all women." The president of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, the Rev. Carlton W. Veazey, sent out an e-mail promoting the legislation, in which he said, "Let there be no mistake, basic healthcare includes abortion services." And a few weeks ago, NARAL Pro-Choice America President Nancy Keenan said, "If, indeed, we can advance a panel or commission, then I am very optimistic about reproductive health care being part of this entire package."
Judging from the websites that reflect the viewpoints of these pro-choice organizations, they see the adoption of the second amendment shown above, by Rep. Lois Capps (D-Ca.), as a big win for what they are trying to do. Certainly Capps has a solid record on their side of the issue, and the Capps amendment was supported by all of the strong pro-choice members of the committee. Seen in this context, I suspect its intended effects are far removed from status-quo preservation.
Katie Angel
July 31, 2009 4:28 PM
Why should the status quo be preserved? There are a lot of things that were (and are) included in the federal budget that I don't support and do not want to pay for - but I don't get to pick and choose what services/programs I will pay for and which I won't. The right to end a pregnancy is currently the law of the land and should not be based on whether it can be afforded. My prayer is that we can reduce the number of abortions to where they are rare but that is not going to happen by messing with the law. It is going to happen by changing the society we live in - and the first thing we must do is stop treating an unwanted pregnancy as punishment for having sex. Both sides of this debate are so busy trying to destroy the other that neither side has actually DONE anything. The poor should have the same basic health care that the well off have - and that includes access to reproductive health - most of which is contraception and education. We should be working to improve the health care of all our citizens - that is what this whole overhaul is supposed to be about.
Richard Clark
July 31, 2009 9:49 PM
Why is Steven Waldman so obessed with the abortion issue??? My tax money went to support the Iraq War, which I opposed, so I wish these right-to-lifers would take a hike.
churchmouse
August 1, 2009 2:16 AM
“Why is Steven Waldman so obessed with the abortion issue??? My tax money went to support the Iraq War, which I opposed, so I wish these right-to-lifers would take a hike.”
Well I am NOT GONNA TAKE A HIKE. Abortion is murder. I refuse to sit back and watch pro-aborts kick the unborn to the curb, who think it’s a womans god given right to murder a defenseless child in the womb. It is my right as an American to express my views and to peacefully act on them, and I am going to do it.
How does protecting the United States compare with murdering babies?
Richard Clark
August 1, 2009 9:17 AM
Hey churchmouse, I hope your concern for the fetus inside the womb, extended to the born babies outside the womb, who were killed by Bush's bombings in Iraq. But I kind of doubt it.
Elm
August 1, 2009 11:51 AM
Richard Clark: "babies outside the womb, who were killed by Bush's bombings in Iraq"
The Killing of Children is never the intent of the bombings. If killing these children by colateral damage is wrong , how much more evil is the direct killing of children in the act of abortion. It is akin to a police officer persuing a killer and his bullet richocets into the body of a child, or a police officer holding a gun to the child's head and pulling the trigger, although that is much more humane than pulling the child apart limb by limb.
The only intent of abortion is to kill the child. What disease does abortion cure?
Michael
August 1, 2009 2:52 PM
What always seems to be missing in these conversations is that elections have consequences and politics does have meaning. In 2008, the people elected a president and the party that believes that reproductive choice is a civil right and that denying those choices represents an oppression on women. So, yes, they are going to support abortion under health care options because, well, it is a legal option and part of a woman's choices when dealing with her health and reproductive lives.
Democrats came to power--and have existed over the last 35 years--because of the hard work of women and others who believe in civil rights for women. Feminism and civil liberties is one of the three legs that keeps the Democrat's stool standing up.
So now we have a proposal that has very little to do with abortion. The question is whether the cause of providing universal health care should be held hostage by pro-life people who (a) lost the election and (b) seem unintersted in the goal of universal health care.
churchmouse
August 2, 2009 1:50 PM
Let me put it another way. In 2008, the people elected a president and the party that believes a woman has the right to kill and that killing a child in the womb is a civil right. They support like Obama even partial birth abortion. Obamas voting record shows he to be the most liberal in Washington on this issue.
"Democrats came to power--and have existed over the last 35 years--because of the hard work of women and others who believe in civil rights for women. Feminism and civil liberties is one of the three legs that keeps the Democrat's stool standing up."
Yes, and that hard work by pro-choicers and the justices on the SC that made Roe law, have blood on their hands. How much? Since Roe, abortion has taken the lives of at least 50 million Americans.
They are the party that underminds parental authority. They are the party that voted against the fetal protection act. Oh compassionate party alright.
The way I see it.......we all lost in America and time will show Obama to be the fraud that he is. No one came into office with less experience and more baggage. His popularity is decreasing polls show.
"So now we have a proposal that has very little to do with abortion. The question is whether the cause of providing universal health care should be held hostage by pro-life people who (a) lost the election and (b) seem unintersted in the goal of universal health care."
Our Constitution does not say anything about affording everyone free health care....free anything for that matter.
The fact is that Obamas Health care proposal will......force doctors to perform abortions. There are huge loopholes in this plan. The elderly and chronically ill could be the first to face rationing and increased denial of care. Businesses will have to fork over more money for each employee, which will result in lower profits and higher unemployment. According to the HSLDA, even parental rights are threatened if this government takeover of health care proceeds. Long waits for treatments, fewer choices, more government interference, higher taxes and higher health care costs -- does that sound like the kind of health reform you want?
Congress’ so-called “public plan” threatens to raise your taxes, bankrupt the country and force millions of Americans out of their current employer-based coverage – and it does nothing to control rising health care costs. Plans like Obamas are already failing patients in Canada and the UK.
It’s time to expose the tremendous costs and consequences of government-run health care.
You want to start to fix our health care system......SEND ILLEGALS HOME. Illegal Immigrants Account for $10.7 Billion of Nation’s Health Care Costs. Double talk is what this administration is giving us. Pelosi said that the new health care reform does not include illegals. Then she turns around and says in CNN's State of the Union that law requires they be treated. If they aren't here there would be no one to treat.
"The cost of treating illegal aliens amounts to nearly $11 billion a year, according to calculations done by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a non-profit group that opposes illegal immigration.
According to the CIS study, illegals accounted for 13.1 percent of all federal costs of covering the uninsured in 2004, an estimated $2.2 billion per year. Seventeen percent of households headed by an illegal immigrant were using Medicaid, accounting for 1.7 percent of all Medicaid recipients."
House Democrats are working their arses off in closed door sessions to try to get this passed America. One of them said that they (Democrats) would even work into their vacations (awe.. their trips to the Hamptons will be delayed)if need be.
Joe
August 15, 2009 7:00 AM
http://eternaledge@blogtownhall.com
Michael said: "What always seems to be missing in these conversations is that elections have consequences and politics does have meaning. In 2008, the people elected a president and the party that believes that reproductive choice is a civil right and that denying those choices represents an oppression on women." and "Democrats came to power--and have existed over the last 35 years--because of the hard work of women and others who believe in civil rights for women."
Since Roe v Wade 50,000,000 American children have died due to elective abortions. 25,000,000 female children have been killed. So much for leftist "...civil rights for women."
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There is lot of evidence that "preserving the status quo" is not at all what the pro-choice side is after here.
It goes back to when Barack Obama appeared before the Planned Parenthood Action Fund in 2007, and said, "Well, look, in my mind reproductive care is essential care, basic care so it is at the center, the heart of the plan that I propose . . . insurers are going to have to abide by the same rules in terms of providing comprehensive care, including reproductive care . . . that's going to be absolutely vital."
Then there was a document, "Advancing Reproductive Rights and Health in a New Administration" that was sent to the Obama Transition Team not long after the election, which the Transition posted on the Internet. It said about health care reform, “Comprehensive benefits must include access to the full range of reproductive health services, including contraception, maternity care, and abortion care.” That paper was signed by Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and 60 or so other pro-choice groups.
Then in April the president of Planned Parenthood, Cecile Richards, went on National Public Radio and said that the health care reform bill would provide a "platform" to extend access to abortion to "all women and families."
Next, the National Abortion Federation (a trade association of abortion providers) put out a position paper that said, "NAF supports health care reform as a way to increase access to comprehensive reproductive health care, including abortion care, for all women." The president of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, the Rev. Carlton W. Veazey, sent out an e-mail promoting the legislation, in which he said, "Let there be no mistake, basic healthcare includes abortion services." And a few weeks ago, NARAL Pro-Choice America President Nancy Keenan said, "If, indeed, we can advance a panel or commission, then I am very optimistic about reproductive health care being part of this entire package."
Judging from the websites that reflect the viewpoints of these pro-choice organizations, they see the adoption of the second amendment shown above, by Rep. Lois Capps (D-Ca.), as a big win for what they are trying to do. Certainly Capps has a solid record on their side of the issue, and the Capps amendment was supported by all of the strong pro-choice members of the committee. Seen in this context, I suspect its intended effects are far removed from status-quo preservation.
Why should the status quo be preserved? There are a lot of things that were (and are) included in the federal budget that I don't support and do not want to pay for - but I don't get to pick and choose what services/programs I will pay for and which I won't. The right to end a pregnancy is currently the law of the land and should not be based on whether it can be afforded. My prayer is that we can reduce the number of abortions to where they are rare but that is not going to happen by messing with the law. It is going to happen by changing the society we live in - and the first thing we must do is stop treating an unwanted pregnancy as punishment for having sex. Both sides of this debate are so busy trying to destroy the other that neither side has actually DONE anything. The poor should have the same basic health care that the well off have - and that includes access to reproductive health - most of which is contraception and education. We should be working to improve the health care of all our citizens - that is what this whole overhaul is supposed to be about.
Why is Steven Waldman so obessed with the abortion issue??? My tax money went to support the Iraq War, which I opposed, so I wish these right-to-lifers would take a hike.
“Why is Steven Waldman so obessed with the abortion issue??? My tax money went to support the Iraq War, which I opposed, so I wish these right-to-lifers would take a hike.”
Well I am NOT GONNA TAKE A HIKE. Abortion is murder. I refuse to sit back and watch pro-aborts kick the unborn to the curb, who think it’s a womans god given right to murder a defenseless child in the womb. It is my right as an American to express my views and to peacefully act on them, and I am going to do it.
How does protecting the United States compare with murdering babies?
Hey churchmouse, I hope your concern for the fetus inside the womb, extended to the born babies outside the womb, who were killed by Bush's bombings in Iraq. But I kind of doubt it.
Richard Clark: "babies outside the womb, who were killed by Bush's bombings in Iraq"
The Killing of Children is never the intent of the bombings. If killing these children by colateral damage is wrong , how much more evil is the direct killing of children in the act of abortion. It is akin to a police officer persuing a killer and his bullet richocets into the body of a child, or a police officer holding a gun to the child's head and pulling the trigger, although that is much more humane than pulling the child apart limb by limb.
The only intent of abortion is to kill the child. What disease does abortion cure?
What always seems to be missing in these conversations is that elections have consequences and politics does have meaning. In 2008, the people elected a president and the party that believes that reproductive choice is a civil right and that denying those choices represents an oppression on women. So, yes, they are going to support abortion under health care options because, well, it is a legal option and part of a woman's choices when dealing with her health and reproductive lives.
Democrats came to power--and have existed over the last 35 years--because of the hard work of women and others who believe in civil rights for women. Feminism and civil liberties is one of the three legs that keeps the Democrat's stool standing up.
So now we have a proposal that has very little to do with abortion. The question is whether the cause of providing universal health care should be held hostage by pro-life people who (a) lost the election and (b) seem unintersted in the goal of universal health care.
Let me put it another way. In 2008, the people elected a president and the party that believes a woman has the right to kill and that killing a child in the womb is a civil right. They support like Obama even partial birth abortion. Obamas voting record shows he to be the most liberal in Washington on this issue.
"Democrats came to power--and have existed over the last 35 years--because of the hard work of women and others who believe in civil rights for women. Feminism and civil liberties is one of the three legs that keeps the Democrat's stool standing up."
Yes, and that hard work by pro-choicers and the justices on the SC that made Roe law, have blood on their hands. How much? Since Roe, abortion has taken the lives of at least 50 million Americans.
They are the party that underminds parental authority. They are the party that voted against the fetal protection act. Oh compassionate party alright.
The way I see it.......we all lost in America and time will show Obama to be the fraud that he is. No one came into office with less experience and more baggage. His popularity is decreasing polls show.
"So now we have a proposal that has very little to do with abortion. The question is whether the cause of providing universal health care should be held hostage by pro-life people who (a) lost the election and (b) seem unintersted in the goal of universal health care."
Our Constitution does not say anything about affording everyone free health care....free anything for that matter.
The fact is that Obamas Health care proposal will......force doctors to perform abortions. There are huge loopholes in this plan. The elderly and chronically ill could be the first to face rationing and increased denial of care. Businesses will have to fork over more money for each employee, which will result in lower profits and higher unemployment. According to the HSLDA, even parental rights are threatened if this government takeover of health care proceeds. Long waits for treatments, fewer choices, more government interference, higher taxes and higher health care costs -- does that sound like the kind of health reform you want?
Congress’ so-called “public plan” threatens to raise your taxes, bankrupt the country and force millions of Americans out of their current employer-based coverage – and it does nothing to control rising health care costs. Plans like Obamas are already failing patients in Canada and the UK.
It’s time to expose the tremendous costs and consequences of government-run health care.
You want to start to fix our health care system......SEND ILLEGALS HOME. Illegal Immigrants Account for $10.7 Billion of Nation’s Health Care Costs. Double talk is what this administration is giving us. Pelosi said that the new health care reform does not include illegals. Then she turns around and says in CNN's State of the Union that law requires they be treated. If they aren't here there would be no one to treat.
"The cost of treating illegal aliens amounts to nearly $11 billion a year, according to calculations done by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a non-profit group that opposes illegal immigration.
According to the CIS study, illegals accounted for 13.1 percent of all federal costs of covering the uninsured in 2004, an estimated $2.2 billion per year. Seventeen percent of households headed by an illegal immigrant were using Medicaid, accounting for 1.7 percent of all Medicaid recipients."
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51751
House Democrats are working their arses off in closed door sessions to try to get this passed America. One of them said that they (Democrats) would even work into their vacations (awe.. their trips to the Hamptons will be delayed)if need be.
Michael said: "What always seems to be missing in these conversations is that elections have consequences and politics does have meaning. In 2008, the people elected a president and the party that believes that reproductive choice is a civil right and that denying those choices represents an oppression on women." and "Democrats came to power--and have existed over the last 35 years--because of the hard work of women and others who believe in civil rights for women."
Since Roe v Wade 50,000,000 American children have died due to elective abortions. 25,000,000 female children have been killed. So much for leftist "...civil rights for women."
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