Perhaps by the time Michael Jackson was an adult, he was drawn toward the outrageous, unusual or abnormal, but as a child he seemed to want nothing more than to be like other kids. "More than anything, I wished to...
Michael Jackson was disfellowshipped/disassociated/excommunicated and the wordage all mean the same thing.
It means that the JW consider MJ CONDEMENED eternally dammed which was easy for them to do when he was getting all the bad press,NOW they don't want the general public to know about it.
JW cult lie and lie and lie....they call it 'theocratic warfare' don't get mixed up with them.
Robert
July 7, 2009 6:11 PM
Elephant in the room (aside from MJ's "alleged" pedophilia, of course): The entire African-American entertainment community,Jehovah's Witnesses and even the political establishment is rallying around Michael Jackson.
And yet, MJ, perhaps more than any other celebrity/public figure you can name, spent his life essentially trying to deny his race - whitening his skin, straightening his hair, having surgery to create a "Caucasian" nose, having more surgery to remove other African-American facial features, reproducing with a white woman so that his children would be mixed race.
Why is nobody talking about this messed up Jehovah's Witness?
Terrance Paulin
July 7, 2009 11:38 PM
http://www.alwaysareadywriter.blogspot.com
It is unfortunate that in this society we feel that superstars have no privacy. Michael Jackson became a victim of his fame. I pray that he now can find the peace that he so seeked.
Terrance Paulin
Mike
July 8, 2009 4:58 AM
All JW's raised in this cult grow up freaks! They are isolated from the world, they are so afraid of being disfellowshipped. My husband was disfellowshipped from this cult and I think it was the best thing that could ever happen to him.
Act
July 8, 2009 7:11 AM
Get a Life people! I am not a JW but the popel who attacked them i think they are the ones that need to apply the freedom of speech thing. they believe in freedom if everyone is catholic...other than that there is no freedom. Hypocrites!
sean
July 8, 2009 10:42 AM
I watched the memorial service yesterday and saw no references to Jehovah at all. He obviously left his upbringing in the past when he made "Thriller". Now the trill is gone. He chose to glorify himself rather than his Creator, who I don't believe he ever had the time to really know. Many children leave their early guidance when they are dazzled by fame and fortune. I hope we all will learn a lesson from this rather than just mock... God is not one to be mocked; we reap what we sow. Susan and Robert and others who just use this opportunity to mislead and spread hatred and misinformation are like the many who used Michael. It left him confused and with no hope. Christ was wise to reject the superficial things of this world and encouraged us to imitate him. That is where real peace is found; not in serving this world and not in death.
Ace
July 9, 2009 11:27 AM
The question arises was Michael Jackson abused? The answer is absolutely yes, he manifested every symptom in his life. The belief system of Jehovah’s Witnesses routinely covers up abuse and of this Michael was a victim.
The weirdness of his life and actions are easily explained by understanding the “us against them” belief system of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
He was never at peace and always felt like a failure to his mom for not emulating and living her beliefs. The result was a sad person trying to find peace but deep down feeling he was never good enough where it really counted.
Isn't it striking that those that have been involved and "fallen" from the Jehovah's Witnesses have strikingly similar experiences to those who were involved with and "fell" from Scientology?
tom sheepandgoats
July 10, 2009 3:48 AM
http://carriertom.typepad.com/sheep_and_goats
But I still miss the sense of community that I felt there--I miss the friends and the people who treated me like I was simply one of them. Simply human..
Whatever comments one might make about JWs, it's clear that their meetings were the one place he could go and not be idolized, kissed up to, or surrounded by persons with ulterior motives. A respite, if you will, from a celebrity-worshipping world that would ultimately tear him apart.
Gert
July 13, 2009 8:57 AM
http://www.freeminds.org
The Jehovah's Witnesses religion teaches that there are two worlds: One that is governed by the Watchtower Society JW and the one run by Satan(non-JW).
Google yahoo search: Jehovah Witness
Former JWs are the best source of information about the cult. They know because they have lived it. Those who are still inside can't speak freely. Who has more credibility?
Think about it
Your Name
July 13, 2009 11:29 AM
Gert:
I've thought about it.
On the other hand, the JW religion (like most others) is a organization that invites its members to stay forever. Therefore, it might be likened to a corporation offering lifetime employment.
Take a former Microsoft employee, for example. A better source of information than a current Microsoft employee? There's many reasons one can leave, of course, but one thing you know for sure: there's no chance the current employee has an axe to grind and there's no chance the current employee was fired.
tom sheepandgoats
July 13, 2009 11:54 AM
http://carriertom.typepad.com/sheep_and_goats
Gert:
I've thought about it.
On the other hand, the JW religion (like most others) is a organization that invites its members to stay forever. Therefore, it might be likened to a corporation offering lifetime employment.
Take a former Microsoft employee, for example. A better source of information than a current Microsoft employee? There's many reasons one can leave, of course, but one thing you know for sure: there's no chance the current employee has an axe to grind and there's no chance the current employee was fired.
(apolgies to the blogmaster for 'cleanup' work)
Gerard Nadal
July 13, 2009 2:21 PM
Jackson lived and died an unrepentant pedophile, no different than the Jewish and Christian pedophiles in the clergy and laity, or the pedophile teachers who assault 9% of the children who attend public schools (US Dept. of Education stat).
As such, he should be reviled. If his adoring fans find a messed up childhood as exculpatory, they should be prepared to extend that standard of exoneration to those who have created the 39 million victims of sex abuse in America.
I pity him as a tragic figure, as I do those in my Church who abused children. But pity for clergy is not the stuff of momentum for canonization. The same may be said for Jackson. Enough with the adulation already. We should pray for him and his victims, learn something sobering from it all, and move on.
That said, in all fairness, the courts found him not guilty.
Gerard Nadal
July 14, 2009 10:54 AM
Tom,
Yes, he was found not guilty the same way OJ was acquitted in the double-murder of Nicole and Ron. I heard the testimony in that case. Were that a Catholic Priest instead of Jackson with that testimony, the outcome would have been far different. I guess the lesson is that if one is to be a pedophile, one had better be damned good at song and dance.
But yes, technically he was found not guilty; which is not the same as being found innocent. It merely means that guilt was not established beyond a reasonable doubt. That's the standard in criminal court. Under the looser standard of civil court, a preponderance of the evidence, I believe there was a settlement. Same as OJ.
God Bless.
tom sheepandgoats
July 14, 2009 2:50 PM
http://carriertom.typepad.com/sheep_and_goats
Perhaps you're exactly right. Dunno. But I'm not in a hurry to condemn. Here's a journalist who lists several reasons, all plausible to me, why he thinks MJ was rightly aquitted.
I was born 3rd generation Jehovah's Witness 1957,and am the same age (51) as Michael Jackson,I remember the Jackson 5 debut in 1968 they were BIG.
MJ was baptized a Jehovah's Witness and then disfellowshipped/disassociated/excommunicated to be shunned.
A lot of my dysfunctional life is directly related to my apocalyptic Watchtower sect upbringing indoctrination and I wonder about same with Michael Jackson?
There are a million hurting EXJW kids out there. Best regards,Danny Haszard
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Michael Jackson was disfellowshipped/disassociated/excommunicated and the wordage all mean the same thing.
It means that the JW consider MJ CONDEMENED eternally dammed which was easy for them to do when he was getting all the bad press,NOW they don't want the general public to know about it.
JW cult lie and lie and lie....they call it 'theocratic warfare' don't get mixed up with them.
Elephant in the room (aside from MJ's "alleged" pedophilia, of course): The entire African-American entertainment community,Jehovah's Witnesses and even the political establishment is rallying around Michael Jackson.
And yet, MJ, perhaps more than any other celebrity/public figure you can name, spent his life essentially trying to deny his race - whitening his skin, straightening his hair, having surgery to create a "Caucasian" nose, having more surgery to remove other African-American facial features, reproducing with a white woman so that his children would be mixed race.
Why is nobody talking about this messed up Jehovah's Witness?
It is unfortunate that in this society we feel that superstars have no privacy. Michael Jackson became a victim of his fame. I pray that he now can find the peace that he so seeked.
Terrance Paulin
All JW's raised in this cult grow up freaks! They are isolated from the world, they are so afraid of being disfellowshipped. My husband was disfellowshipped from this cult and I think it was the best thing that could ever happen to him.
Get a Life people! I am not a JW but the popel who attacked them i think they are the ones that need to apply the freedom of speech thing. they believe in freedom if everyone is catholic...other than that there is no freedom. Hypocrites!
I watched the memorial service yesterday and saw no references to Jehovah at all. He obviously left his upbringing in the past when he made "Thriller". Now the trill is gone. He chose to glorify himself rather than his Creator, who I don't believe he ever had the time to really know. Many children leave their early guidance when they are dazzled by fame and fortune. I hope we all will learn a lesson from this rather than just mock... God is not one to be mocked; we reap what we sow. Susan and Robert and others who just use this opportunity to mislead and spread hatred and misinformation are like the many who used Michael. It left him confused and with no hope. Christ was wise to reject the superficial things of this world and encouraged us to imitate him. That is where real peace is found; not in serving this world and not in death.
The question arises was Michael Jackson abused? The answer is absolutely yes, he manifested every symptom in his life. The belief system of Jehovah’s Witnesses routinely covers up abuse and of this Michael was a victim.
The weirdness of his life and actions are easily explained by understanding the “us against them” belief system of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
He was never at peace and always felt like a failure to his mom for not emulating and living her beliefs. The result was a sad person trying to find peace but deep down feeling he was never good enough where it really counted.
Isn't it striking that those that have been involved and "fallen" from the Jehovah's Witnesses have strikingly similar experiences to those who were involved with and "fell" from Scientology?
But I still miss the sense of community that I felt there--I miss the friends and the people who treated me like I was simply one of them. Simply human..
Whatever comments one might make about JWs, it's clear that their meetings were the one place he could go and not be idolized, kissed up to, or surrounded by persons with ulterior motives. A respite, if you will, from a celebrity-worshipping world that would ultimately tear him apart.
The Jehovah's Witnesses religion teaches that there are two worlds: One that is governed by the Watchtower Society JW and the one run by Satan(non-JW).
Google yahoo search: Jehovah Witness
Former JWs are the best source of information about the cult. They know because they have lived it. Those who are still inside can't speak freely. Who has more credibility?
Think about it
Gert:
I've thought about it.
On the other hand, the JW religion (like most others) is a organization that invites its members to stay forever. Therefore, it might be likened to a corporation offering lifetime employment.
Take a former Microsoft employee, for example. A better source of information than a current Microsoft employee? There's many reasons one can leave, of course, but one thing you know for sure: there's no chance the current employee has an axe to grind and there's no chance the current employee was fired.
Gert:
I've thought about it.
On the other hand, the JW religion (like most others) is a organization that invites its members to stay forever. Therefore, it might be likened to a corporation offering lifetime employment.
Take a former Microsoft employee, for example. A better source of information than a current Microsoft employee? There's many reasons one can leave, of course, but one thing you know for sure: there's no chance the current employee has an axe to grind and there's no chance the current employee was fired.
(apolgies to the blogmaster for 'cleanup' work)
Jackson lived and died an unrepentant pedophile, no different than the Jewish and Christian pedophiles in the clergy and laity, or the pedophile teachers who assault 9% of the children who attend public schools (US Dept. of Education stat).
As such, he should be reviled. If his adoring fans find a messed up childhood as exculpatory, they should be prepared to extend that standard of exoneration to those who have created the 39 million victims of sex abuse in America.
I pity him as a tragic figure, as I do those in my Church who abused children. But pity for clergy is not the stuff of momentum for canonization. The same may be said for Jackson. Enough with the adulation already. We should pray for him and his victims, learn something sobering from it all, and move on.
Gerard:
That said, in all fairness, the courts found him not guilty.
Tom,
Yes, he was found not guilty the same way OJ was acquitted in the double-murder of Nicole and Ron. I heard the testimony in that case. Were that a Catholic Priest instead of Jackson with that testimony, the outcome would have been far different. I guess the lesson is that if one is to be a pedophile, one had better be damned good at song and dance.
But yes, technically he was found not guilty; which is not the same as being found innocent. It merely means that guilt was not established beyond a reasonable doubt. That's the standard in criminal court. Under the looser standard of civil court, a preponderance of the evidence, I believe there was a settlement. Same as OJ.
God Bless.
Perhaps you're exactly right. Dunno. But I'm not in a hurry to condemn. Here's a journalist who lists several reasons, all plausible to me, why he thinks MJ was rightly aquitted.
He appears to know facts neither you nor I have.
http://www.slate.com/id/2120889/
I was born 3rd generation Jehovah's Witness 1957,and am the same age (51) as Michael Jackson,I remember the Jackson 5 debut in 1968 they were BIG.
MJ was baptized a Jehovah's Witness and then disfellowshipped/disassociated/excommunicated to be shunned.
A lot of my dysfunctional life is directly related to my apocalyptic Watchtower sect upbringing indoctrination and I wonder about same with Michael Jackson?
There are a million hurting EXJW kids out there. Best regards,Danny Haszard
Michael Jackson Jehovah's Witnesses chronicles
http://dannyhaszard.com/death_of_michael_jackson.htm
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