The Contraception Divide Within the Pro-Life Movement

churchmouse: You mentioned you took the Bible literally. Did it ever occur to you that that book was written by human being who are not infallible? They wrote it after JC was long gone, and put their own versions of things in it, pushing a certain point of view. It was copied so many times no one can count, again by humans who put their versions/interpretations into it, and it has continued even now to be put into "modern language" thus more interpretations of older language. How in heck can it or any other book be "literal?" The language JC and all those of that time wasn't close to any spoken now. What a great guide you choose to live your life by, as well as critizing others for NOT following. Apparently those folks who raise children by that book have some kids who think for themselves...good. It is as it should be.

Mr. I & Churchmouse:
“Fortunately this country ISN'T a Christian nation, or a Muslim, Budhist, Pagan etc. nation. It is a nation of folks who are allowed to believe or not as they choose. You're views would work well in a nation that forces folks to follow one faith...there are many countries out there...you might want to try one and let us in the USA live as our own conscience chooses.”

So you would condone say practices that are taking place against women in the Middle East to happen here in America, right? Our laws are based on someone bias and morals. You are saying that all choices are valid. The thing is people differ on what they believe is moral. Tolerance is the new catch phrase today. I believe that to be truly tolerant is NOT to give every idea equal standing or to compromise the truth in the interest of keeping the peace and making everyone happy.

Which do you find morally wrong.

Rape
Adultry
Aborting female babies in China
Laws that prohibit woman from driving and going to school
Wife beating

Violations of fundamental human rights take place daily in almost every Arab country. Women are second class citizens. It's about what has been culturally acceptable that matters. So should a Muslim be allowed to follow Islamic cultural standards in the US?

Of course not. We would never allow female honor killings here. But are they ok if the culture over there says they are? Is there no wrong or right in your book. And if there is…..who gets to determine the standard? If you say be tolerant…then you can't exclude any practice because your views should only be relevant for you.

If you are pro-abortion which you probably are……you have to allow any woman, anytime during the 40 week pregnancy to abort. She should be allowed even if its in the 40th week. You cant take freedom away……everything goes.

Obviously you think that society as a whole can live without God. Look around the evidence says no. Even Darwin himself predicted the slippery slope of violence if the evolutionary theory were translated into a philosophy of life. Nietzsche talked of the darkness that had fallen over mankind. Read Dostoevski....he wrote of the hell that is let loose when mankind denies god, the consequences that happen when he makes himself god. The evidence has never been so obvious as it is today that what these men said is true.

“The hell thing and sin thing just doesn't cut it. Sin? Hell? made up things to scare some folks into supposedly believing in some invisible creature who will "get them:" if they don't behave. THE book is just that...a book made up of printed sheets bound as some publisher feels like doing. It really is just an object....like other books. No holy qualities at all...those are applied to it by some. Mistakes aplenty in it...good sex stories, and violence for those who like to read that stuff. Looks like the folks 2000 years ago appreciated tall tales, and apparently some still do. “

Can you prove that I am wrong? Can you prove without a shadow of doubt that I am completely wrong and you are 100% right?

Pagan……I believe that the Bible is God breathed without error. I believe God handpicked those that wrote the books.

The Bible says, ”Seek and you shall find.” It doesn’t say everybody will find Him, it doesn’t say nobody will find Him. SOME will find Him. Those who seek and those whose hearts are set on finding him and who follow the clues will find Him.

I am not alone…. for seeking Him out. I stand with the majority of mankind who put their trust in God.