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Same Sex Marriage Blogalogue: Prolegomena 3 - Is It Inevitable?

Monday November 17, 2008

One question I've been asked repeatedly is whether the issue of same sex marriage is inevitably shifting toward cultural acceptance.  Yes, it is.

montana.jpgAs Kevin Drum pointed out last May in Washington Monthly, the American populace is shifting on same sex issues at the rate of one percent per year (full PDF of the report from the American Enterprise Institute here).

In a less civilized manner, Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly argued this out last week on The Daily Show.  Papa Bear was arguing that the U.S. is a "center-right country" because, as he said, there are certain traditions that this country has always stood on (he, of course, was implying that things like the free market economy and heterosexual marriage are those traditions).  Stewart vehemently interrupted O'Reilly and countered, No, the tradition of this country is an ever-expanding list of personal liberties.

It does seem that the trajectory of the United States is toward more personal freedoms, and GLBT rights seem to be the next on the list after women's rights and civil rights.  I understand why some conservatives stand against these liberties, and I'm sure the "slippery slope" argument will be invoked repeatedly during the forthcoming blogalogue.  The progressive counter to that is this: those same arguments were used to deny women the right to vote and to deny civil rights to persons of color.

I do tend to think that our society is shifting toward full and equal rights for same sex couples -- I think once a society is moving in a libertarian trajectory, there is no going back (this holds only in a democracy, not under a dictatorship).

But this is no reason to avoid a robust dialogue about the issues surrounding same sex marriage.  In fact, as we approach a cultural tipping point on this issue, it's all the more important that we have serious, thoughtful, respectful discussions.  For, if we don't, an issue like this does have the potential to provoke nasty, even violent rifts in our democracy.

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Glenn
November 19, 2008 9:20 AM

I kinda like TJ's argument. Because the argument that says Against Gay Marriage...then don't have one is a bad argument and really has nothing to do with the issue of same-sex marriage. Gay marriage is allowed under the law, polygamy is not. Many faith communities will perform a same-sex marriage, many Fortune 500 companies will extend same-sex couples benefits, etc. The argument is about getting all companies to extend benefits, to get all of government to give tax and inheritance benefits, etc. to same-sex couples. Right now companies, states, etc. have a choice. If I am aginst same-sex marriage, you can still have one. And I can still have my choice of where my company extends it's benefits, where my tax dollars go, etc.

Jeff
November 19, 2008 2:49 PM

Denying females the right to vote and persons of color other unalienable rights is not the same as denying SSM. Marriage is not an "right". Blacks were denied unalienable rights that we were endowed with by our Creator. These rights were subsequently adopted into our Constitution in the first 10 amendments. Before Nov. 4 the California Constitution never mentioned marriage.

Gays have never been denied life, liberty, or the PURSUIT of happiness under the law, and rightly so. However, blacks have been denied all of the above. Comparing the two minimizes the struggle that persons of color have endured.

Jason
November 19, 2008 3:53 PM

For those of you who think that the "slippery slope" is ludicrous, it is completely obvious that you have little to no true grasp on history or Scripture. It took one sin to spin the world completely out of control, so much so that God chose to flood the earth.

As far as same-sex marriage goes, all you have to do is study Norway and Sweden since they have approved same-sex marriage in the 90s and see what it has done to family life and morality.

Larry Parker
November 22, 2008 3:53 PM
http://community.beliefnet.com/doxieman122

I live on the 16th floor of an apartment building, Jason.

But I'll make sure to get going on my ark all the same ...

Swede
November 25, 2008 2:56 PM

Jascon, who are you to question the morality of Swedes? I am proud to live in a country where (although slowly) the respect towards other people and tolerance with respect to our differences is increasing. Everyone deserves to experience true love and who are we to tell other adults their love is not as important, right or beautiful as ours?

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