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Are You an MIE (Multi-Issue Evangelical)?

Tuesday December 2, 2008

Categories: Politics
I've never claimed to be an evangelical, which will make many evangelicals happy.  However,  others do pin that term on me, including my friend, Keith DeRose.  Keith is a philosopher at Yale and a Class-A blog lurker and commenter (he will also guest blog for me here on occasion).

Keith recently left a comment on Rich Mouw's blog which he pointed me to in the wake of my pre-election posts on Obama and abortion.  As usual, Keith brings up a great argument, and one that many of us (evangelical or not) should consider.  Because, if we cannot answer this question, we're just not being honest:

Of course one can be "concerned about abortion-on-demand," while seeing that as just one issue among many. But I think the most important thing for "multi-issue evangelicals" (MIEs) to explain in order to make their position intelligible is the exact nature of such concern. For here's the problem. Many evangelicals for whom abortion is -- or at least approaches being -- *the* all-important moral/political issue of our day think that way because they think that abortion, from the moment of conception on, is murder - the moral equivalent of killing an eight-year-old child, for instance. Thus, abortion in our nation (and in many others) is mass murder on a huge scale. So OF COURSE this will be a dominant issue for them.

They -- and I, too, looking at it from the other direction -- then have a hard time understanding MIEs who (to give a caricature of the reasoning, but one designed to highlight the serious problem) will tell them, say, before voting, "Yes, I'm with you on abortion. But that widespread mass baby murder that happens throughout our land every day is just one issue for me. I also want some nice recycling programs."

Well, one way that that's a gross caricature is that, in giving such a speech, an MIE won't explicitly say that they agree that abortion is mass murder on a huge scale. But they also won't (at least typically) explicitly deny it. As is common for those trying to maintain a "big tent," that's left vague & quite open.

But there does usually seem (in, for instance, the recent "Evangelical Manifesto") a suggestion that you mean to be standing with the strong pro-lifers on the issue of abortion, but only demur when it comes to make that a dominant concern, to the point that it crowds out other issues. But *shouldn't* it crowd out issues, if the problem really is one of mass murder on an enormous scale? At least, some explaining seems called for.

Perhaps some MIEs think abortion is a very bad problem, but it's somehow not mass murder on an enormous scale, and so there's room to negotiate between that and other important concerns. Or maybe there's some epistemic component to the position: Some MIEs may think that abortion *might* be mass-baby-murder, but aren't really sure about that, and so there's room to be swayed by other concerns. Or maybe there are some MIEs who do think, quite confidently, that abortion in our land is mass-baby-murder, but think nonetheless that these other issues are so important as to compete with that problem. And of course, different MIEs may fall into different of these categories. In that case, nobody can speak for all MIEs on this issue, but these possibilities should be explained: "Some of us think this way, some that, and some this other..." But that's what needs explaining, it seems to me.
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Kevin
December 3, 2008 12:02 PM
http://www.kevers.net/blog

Tom,
You are probably correct. I remain convinced that there are much better ways to think & frame this issue than what's been proposed in this thread, but I will step out and gladly let Pink have the last word.
Cheers.

Pink
December 3, 2008 12:57 PM

Kevin: If you oppose abortion because murder is an intrinsic evil, then you've forfeited your right to call abortion the most pressing moral concern for the voter. For bombing innocent Iraqi civilians is also murder, US homicide levels are still disturbingly high, the international sex trade often results in murder, gang violence often leads to murder,


Pink: That's an illogical statement, for homicide, sex trafficking, and gang violence are *already illegal* and thus punishable offenses. (Good thing.) We pro-lifers are simply lobbying to make sure that baby murder also becomes illegal and punishable, for right now abortion is as legal and moral in the eyes of the law as buying a pack of gum. The injustice will end. We will not stop until the right of every human to live is won.


Kevin: I'm asking you defend why quantity (and not, say, quality) is your #1 indicator of moral evil.

Pink: State-sanctioned state-protected murder is moral evil and must be opposed.


Kevin: what do you believe the zygote, fetus, embyro, and newborn all share in common?

Pink: They are all the same human being in different growth phases. We might add "infant," "teether," toddler," "talker," "pre-schooler," pre-teen, tween, young adult, etc. Human beings have a right to live--at all phases of their growth and development.


Kevin: why do you continue to encourage people to watch grisly abortion videos in order to help settle their opinion

Pink: For greater education on the subject. Education is very important when discussing any topic. People ought to know what abortion is and does--what it looks like and smells like so to speak--so that they can have rational enlightened discourse. In this age of new media, there is no excuse for people who debate this topic to not have seen the murdered babies and/or even watch a live abortion. Just google it, and watch. Ignorance about any topic of vital national interest is inexcusable in this day and age.

Existential Punk
December 3, 2008 3:57 PM

i think there is way too much mental masturbation going on here. These arguments are all the same. i have personally heard so much of the same that i mentally cannot listen and take in anymore on this topic. It's overkill and we are never going to agree. Let's agree to disagree and move on, ok?!

We've got more pressing issues to talk about, like Memphis BBQ! LOL!!!

Pink
December 3, 2008 4:10 PM

Existential Punk,

Do babies have a right to live and not be killed?

(Y/N?)

Tom Hypes
December 3, 2008 7:49 PM
http://www.tomhypes.com

Kevin,

I know how it is when you try to take the high road and let something rest. Someone will say something that you just have to respond to. =)

Don't be afraid to post if you feel led to but I admire your move to let someone else have the last word. Like Exestential Punk, I think things are going in a circle (maybe I used different wording than EP though? =)

Blessings all!

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