Several of you have been dropping comments under other posts, asking why this much-pimped series petered out so quickly. Well, here's the deal: Rod chose to stop the blogalogue very shortly after it started. Both of us were inundated by comments that were, well, less than kind. Rod has a more stringent comment policy on his blog, and he found himself constantly monitoring and deleting comments that didn't meet his standards. Although it is possible for Rod to rejoin the blogalogue, I'm doubtful. My Bnet editor and I are thinking about asking another conservative blogger to join the conversation, so I'll let you know when we relaunch it.
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Wow, comparing a homosexual with a rapist.....Are you Rick Warren?
I do find it quite interesting that the majority of what I say goes unanswered by those who oppose it. It must be easier to argue from emotion and shoot from the hip than to calm down and respond rationally to what has been said.
Panthera,
Where do you come up with this idea that Jesus was considered a rabbi by those in authority? Though His disciples called Him rabbi, there are instances where He is asked by what authority He says certain things, specifically dealing with the temple (look at the exchange He has after He drives people from the temple in Mark - if He were a Temple rabbi and subject to their laws, no one would have asked Him what authority He did this under).
When you deny that Christ is God incarnate, you deny that He is a perfect sacrifice for our sins. Your religion (it's not Christianity) isn't defined by me, but by years and years of the community of believers along with a foundation on the Bible have decided is orthodoxy. All of this has been guided by the Holy Spirit (do you believe He exists).
Furthermore, as I stated (and it went ignored), Christ is already in the courtship with the Church. Paul and the author of Revelation makes it extremely clear that Christ is married to the Church. If He married a woman on this earth, then He is married to her, not to us.
Beyond all that, you're denying that Jesus is God. He was both God and man, fully divine and fully human. To deny either aspect is to deny the power of His sacrifice and make Him out to be a liar (he received worship as God and even claimed to be God.
Look, you're denying the central beliefs of Christianity at this point. Why not just call yourself something else (like an Arian - which is far closer to what you believe than Christianity)?
Jen,
You didn't answer the question. Would you allow a rapist into your family knowing full well that he had raped one of your children, wasn't repentant about it, and saw nothing wrong with it?
I wasn't comparing homosexuals to rapists perse, I was dealing with your view of love. I'm saying that if someone is unrepentant in ANY sin, they have rejected the love that has been offered. Homosexuality IS a sin and if unrepentant then it is a rejection of love.
Joel, it is pointless - you are immune to any aspect of reality except that which you create for yourself. None-the-less:
From a brief search on the Internet, we find several references to Jesus as "Master" or "Teacher" or "Rabi". I have compiled them for you:
Jesus is called a rabbi thirteen times in the New Testament (Matthew 26:25,49; Mark 9:5; 11:21; 14:45; John 1:38,49; 3:2,26; 4:31; 6:25; 9:2; 11:8)
41 times He is called a teacher.
Now, just why are you so set against what the Bible teaches? What is the horrid aspect of Jesus having been a rabi? Because that would have meant he was Jewish? Surely, you do know that Jesus was a Jew, don't you? Christianity grew from Jewish roots. Well, considering the lack of justice amongst many Christians, perhaps "grew" is not quite the right word.
Joel, your question does not deserve an answer in the context of this discussion. If we are just talking about what forgiveness looks like...then I would understand it as useful to the conversation.
Example for you...Would you stone your son as commanded by the Bible if he were to be homosexual?
My question and yours are constantly thrown out by our respective sides as red herrings. If you are comparing unrepentant homosexuality with unrepentant rape then your views of humanity are flawed.
As a homosexual having consenual relation, I do not harm the emotional, physical, or mental health and well being of another person. I hope that you can understand rape greatly does that to all three different aspects of a person.
that was me by the way
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