An Honest Question about Gays in the Church

churchmouse,

"Tisha make a case for lesbian marriage, relationship and use scripture. WHY WONT ANY lesbian or homosexual here do this?"

Um, you can read, can't you? Tisha is a lesbian.

"Not all Christian Churches will recognize your marriage"

So? Catholics don't "recognize" the 2nd marriages of divorced people. Do you have a point?

"and in the United States most states will not acknowledge it either.

Currently, you mean. There are 6 States that perform them, and several other jurisdictions that recognize same-sex marriages performed legallye elsewhere (NY and D.C. come readily to mind). Then there's that pesky Constitutional challenge based on the Full Faith & Credit Clause. (Yes, I know that DOMA specifically exempts itself from this clause - pretty convenient, imo, and only for the time being - it's what makes DOMA itself UN-Constitutional, again imo.) Recall, please, when some States would not recognize inter-racial marriages either.

"I believe in my heart that if you go to a Church that accepts your marriage that they are not walking in the light of Gods Word."

That's the beauty of freedom of religion; you are free to "believe" what you want on this or any other issue. Too bad you won't allow others who "believe" differently than you do the same freedom.

Tony --

I have not commented on your Blog previously, however, I feel it is time to speak up. First of all, I believe your standard is irrational, we should never seek to set aside any biblical text. Moreover, Even if we are doing things that the bible condemns, that doesn't change the fact that it is condemned (ie, that means not that we should look past the text, but rather that we should look into ourselves, and discover why we are acting in a contra-biblical manor.). Despite my objection to your question, I feel that it should be answered. My answer is as follows -

I am showing:

1. Why marriage can not be between members of the same sex, as there is not starting of the practice by God. ( Genesis 2:24)

2. As Homosexual's can not marry, therefore they must fornicate.

3. Fornication is sin. (1 Corinthians 6:18 Darby : Flee fornication. Every sin which a man may practice is without the body, but he that commits fornication sins against his own body. )

4. Christians should Hate Sin. ( 1 John 3:8-10)

Therefore:

5. A Christian can not be a homosexual, in action.

All fornication is sin. (1 Corinthians 6:18) This is regardless of who you are fornicating with.

Now, the issue is can a homosexual be married. Because if he can then one might be forced to look beyond this argument, as it is beyond the scope.

So, lets look at when marriage was instituted.

Gen 2:22-25: And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from the man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man. And the man said: 'This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.' Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

some NT statements to the same effect...

Eph 5:22-31: Wives, be in subjection unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, being himself the saviour of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives also be to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it; that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word, that he might present the church to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Even so ought husbands also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his own wife loveth himself: for no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as Christ also the church; because we are members of his body. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh.

Mark 10:4-9: And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. But Jesus said unto them, For your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. But from the beginning of the creation, Male and female made he them. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh: so that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Mat 19:3-6: And there came unto him Pharisees, trying him, and saying, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh? So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

The question then is -

Can anyone give a God ordained example of members the same sex marrying, from the bible or one could show where homosexual marriage is instituted by God.

If not, we must say that all homosexual acts are fornication, and therefore sinful.

I am not saying that Christians can not have homosexual attraction, But i am saying that if they openly practice this behavior, they are in opposition to Scripture.

God ordained marriage as that between a man and woman in Genesis 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

If one is not following after even such a command as this, how can they follow Christ with their own heart. That being said, you attempt to remove the Word of God itself in the argument against homosexuality. In other words, you are attempting to make it impossible for you to lose the argument.