Video Response: Those Pesky Six Verses about Homosexuality

And we do, in fact, find your conduct vile.

Husband, can you please remind me what is so "vile" about Wes' conduct? NOT what other unloving, so-called "Christians" have done to you, but specifically what Wes has done/said that is so vile?

You are absolutely correct that you have total freedom of religion in America. However, no one has the freedom to willfully violate God's law without suffering consequences. You may or may not deny the absolute authority of scripture, but that does not change this fact. The only "vile" things I have read in Wes' posts are his correct beliefs that the scriptures have full authority over our lives.

I get the fact that you read into scripture your belief that it's perfectly fine to engage in monogamous homosexual activity, even though you cannot point to anything in scripture that condones this. Alternatively, there are scriptures that specifically condemn homosexual activity, without singling out monogamous, committed relationships as the exception (1 Cor 6:9-10, Rom 1:26-27), just as scripture condemns fornication, adultery, lying, stealing, etc. Of course, once again, one must submit to the full authority of scripture, or the discussion is pointless. Your beliefs simply deny this authority. But yes, you are completely free to believe what you want in America, and I respect that right as a fellow American. As a bible-believing Christian, however, I do not condone your beliefs.

You also compare your "committed, loving, adult, human relationships" to "rape, incest, bestiality, necrophilia, incest and child-molestation," …as if this comparison (that highlights your “good behavior”) negates what scripture teaches on the topic of homosexuality. This is nothing more than self-righteousness, all of which is "filthy rags" before God (Isa 64:6). This includes my own self-righteousness, and that of every Christian, which is precisely why Christ shed His blood.

Until you are willing to completely submit to the full authority of scripture, you will continue to believe what you believe. Only God can do this work in your heart. I have no personal issue with you, Husband; my only issue is with your plain theological error.

Stephen (and Wes, etc.),

"you" was meant to be plural (as in Wes "& chruchmouse, etc."). They're all hateful. They are hateful because what they say about God's gay and lesbian children is not true. They know it is not true. They know that telling untruths is bearing false witness, aka a sin. Or are they exempt from your warning that "no one has the freedom to willfully violate God's law without suffering consequences"?

"The only "vile" things I have read in Wes' posts ..."

Again, it's more than just Wes, but if you haven't read the comparisons of our relationships to rape, incest, beastiality, necrophilia, and child-molestation, then it is your selective reading of this blog (and many, many others) that is to be blamed. Not only are they not true, they are also uncharitable (because they're not true.

And, no, I do not compare my relationship to those things. Why would I? They cause harm. My relationship does not.

"Only God can do this work in your heart. "

Then why do people like you, Wes and churchmouse keep on trying to do this work that you think "only God can do"? Stop casting stones. Stop judging. You aren't qualified.

Me? I'll simply follow Christ's commandments to love God and neighbor, and then I'll follow His words on homosexuals - which was absolutely nothing.

Be healed.

Husband, it's a huge leap to call someone who disagrees with you "hateful." I haven't read every single post here, but what has Wes (or I) said that is so hateful? I don't know you or your heart, but reading your posts SOUNDS a bit hateful to me, although I am assuming the best, that you are NOT hateful.

Again, your statement that "God says absolutely nothing" about homosexuality indicates you do not submit to the authority of scripture (see the verses sighted in my last post). You are free to not do so, but if that's the case, please admit it, and we can end the discussion. However if you DO submit to this authority, then show me, from the bible, how you end up believing homosexuality is not sin. Start with the two passage I sited, and go from there. I'm certainly open to hearing what you have to say, based on scripture, not your opinion. Pointing out what the bible says about what is sin and what is not is NOT judging you. It is simply stating the truth of scripture. My opinions don't matter one bit, but what the bible teaches matters eternally.

Let me be clear, Husband. We are all sinners that are in need of a savior. I sin every day (no, every hour of every day). When I placed my faith in Christ, He gave me a new heart and a new nature that seeks to please Him, and desires to submit to His law. I cannot keep that law perfectly, but my desire is to do so. Submitting to that law is NOT what saves me (only the Christ's atoning work on the cross can do that), but this desire in me and other believers is one indication that we are truly saved (1 John 2:3-6). But Christians are to submit to ALL of God's law, not just the parts that we agree to submit to.

I'll say it one more time another way. I have NO hatred towards you, Husband, just as I have no hatred toward one of my good male friends who right now wants to leave his wife of 15 years. I LOVE that guy, but I have told him plainly that he is willfully sinning, not because I think so, but because God's word says so. I've also told him this because I care for him and his soul, not because I hate him.

You may continue to call Wes an me "hateful" because we disagree with your homosexual behavior. For the life of me, I cannot see why you would believe that. You clearly disagree with Wes and me. Have we called YOU hateful?