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"He dies in tears"

Wednesday May 6, 2009

Categories: Pope, Spiritual Growth
On the recommendation of several people, I am reading Ratzinger's Eschatology: Death and Eternal Life. I also have N.T. Wright's Surprised By Hope, recommended to me by many as well. I had started the Wright, but then thought...no, let's start with...
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Susan Stabile
May 6, 2009 7:17 AM
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I have found much to benefit from in everything I've read of Benedict/Ratzinger's writing. I'm currently reading the book that collects his talks on Paul, which is wonderful reading. One of his part of "Mary: The Church at the Source" (the other part of which was written by Hans Urs von Balthasar). I wouldn't put either in the category of "place to start when reading Ratzinger, but both are worth putting on one's reading list.

Your Name
May 6, 2009 9:24 AM

recently read the pope's encylical on hope; at the end of it he seems to offer reflection on the last judgment as a reason to hope. Most people either ignore the last judgment because of God's mercy or find it scary. Is the pope saying that reflection on the last judgment calls for a restructuring of priorities? Maybe I read it too fast...

Susan
May 6, 2009 9:33 AM
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I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on the Wright book. I just finished it(after reading a recommendation here). It's the first thing I've read by him, and (to me at least) it was really deep and in parts, hard to follow. Not sure I agree with a lot of his ideas, but he definitely shifted my ideas of life after death, heaven, etc., that's for sure.

Pesky
May 6, 2009 10:17 AM

Not to quibble, Amy, but when you write that Ratzinger "then brings it all around to Christ. Every time. It is Christ."

How else would you expect him to conclude his reflections?

Amy Welborn
May 6, 2009 10:24 AM
http://blog.beliefnet.com/viamedia/

Because many theologians - even Christians - don't.

Dean
May 6, 2009 10:27 AM

I just finished a course on Trinity and Eschatology which used "Eschatology, Death and Eternal Life" as one of the required texts. We also used "Dare We Hope That All Men Be Saved" by Hans urs Von Balthasar. You might give it a look, as well.

Tom L
May 6, 2009 10:37 AM

You can really see the Guardini influence in the quote about Jesus' death. His chapter in "The Lord" on the subject is one of my favorite pieces of theological writing. One of the most beautiful summaries of soteriology you'll ever see, all in about 3 pages. Ratzinger is practically quoting him here.

bill bannon
May 6, 2009 11:19 AM
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I do find it odd that four famous Catholic men of recent times (including the last two Popes) held out for hell possibly being empty not on heretical universalist grounds of surely it will be so...but on the grounds of God's antecedent will possibly coming about by everyone's final fre choice:
"Who wishes all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth" NT...."For I desire not the death of the sinner but that he should turn from his way and live" OT.

Aquinas however said that "the antecedent will of God does not always take place"....for example, it is also God's antecedent will each day as it begins that each of us acts perfectly today...and that might not happen and probably will not happen since James says, "In many things we all offend".

Benedict, Rahner, John Paul II and Hans urs Von Balthasar apparently had a concept of Scripture that does not accord with anything I have read in the two chief minds of historical Catholicism: Augustine and Aquinas on this topic as it relates to inspiration and scripture and Judas. Augustine and Chrysostom both had sermons that stated that Judas was in hell (Trent forbade that judgement outside of Revelation/Scripture but not inside Scripture as in Christ's consistently ominous words about Judas...words that are misleading if Judas went through purgatory and is in Heaven) and all four above mentioned modern Catholic men held out hope for damnation not being so about Judas in a definite manner (I have the cites somewhere on my computer which is being fixed... for the first three men).

In short do modern men simply have a huge problem with accepting the idea of hell itself; and this holding out hope for Judas despite Christ's consistently ominous words about him...is nothing more than humans seeking to overturn Revelation unwittingly and sporadically out of fear ....since Benedict also had a sermon in which he declared against the tendency to excuse Judas...yet he like John Paul and Rahner etc held out hope for non condemnation for him (despite Christ's words..."better for that man had he never been born"..."not one of them perished but the son of perdition"). "Son of perdition" is a tad harsh if Judas was glory bound in the long run...."better...never born" is impossible regarding the saved.

In Acts 12 God kills Herod Antipas by an angel and requires that his body be left for the worms to eat. Is this really the way God would dispose of someone bound for heaven however eventually? One hopes that Uzzah is in Heaven since God killed him for disobeying as to touching the ark even though his intention (to prevent its falling) was good. But Herod Antipas and Judas and many others who died ominously at the hand of God including Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 or the villains of the Old Testament that died ominously as to details.....all were Heaven bound??? Modern man including modern Church leaders do not seem sane in this area....compassionate yes....sane no.

Have our leaders themselves unwittingly made evangelizing less probable given that it now seems very hard to actually reach damnation....even for Judas.

Strangely the atheist existentialist Jean Paul Sartre in his biography of the practicing criminal-playwright Jean Genet touches on this new modern compassion that cannot see evil within an evil man when he..Sartre... said to readers of Genet: "You will make excuses for him out of his past in order to hide yourselves from his will to do evil."
I think some of that excessive naivete is present in some very famous Catholic writers and leaders.

Pesky
May 6, 2009 11:19 AM

OK, Amy,

How about some names? Which theologians, in particular, don't come to Christ ultimately?

I'm not trying to be a pest. I'm just asking.

Amy Welborn
May 6, 2009 11:37 AM
http://blog.beliefnet.com/viamedia/

Tissa Balasuriya?

Most self-identified feminist theologians?

(As in "feminist theology")

Francesca
May 6, 2009 12:21 PM

I think the Eschatology book is Ratzer's best book. As you say, it is beautiful the way he explains every truth Christologically. Intellectually, probably its quality is due to its being a summation of what must be long meditation on his Habilitation research on the contrasting eschatologies of Bonaventure & Joachim of Fiore.

TSO
May 6, 2009 12:43 PM

I particularly like how he doesn't stray controversial or confusing and paradoxical issues. I'd been wondering how to reconcile the concept of purification, with how help can come from prayers from others during that purification (given that it is an act necessarily individualistic), and I found it addressed in "Eschatology":

Does not this prayer [for the departed] presuppose that Purgatory entails some kind of external punishment which can, for example, be graciously remitted through vicarious acceptance by others in a form of spiritual barter? And how can a third party enter into that most highly personal process of encounter with Christ, where the "I" is transformed in the flame of his closeness? Is not this an event which so concerns the individual that all replacement or substitution must be ruled out? Is not the pious tradition of 'helping the holy souls' based on treating these souls after the fashion of 'having' - whereas our reflections so far have surely led to the conclusion that the heart of the matter is 'being,' for which there can be no substitute? Yet the being of man is not, in fact, that of a closed monad. It is related to others by love or hate, and, in these ways, has its colonies within them. My own being is present in others as guilt or as grace. We are not just ourselves; or, more correctly, we are ourselves only as being in others, with others and through others. Whether others curse us or bless us, forgive us and turn our guilt into love- this is part of our own destiny. The fact that the saints judge means that encounter with Christ is encounter with his whole body. I come face to face with my own guilt vis-a-vis the suffering members of the body as well as with the forgiving love which the body derives from Christ its Head. "The intercession of the saints with the Judge is not...some purely external affair whose success is necessarily doubtful since it depends on the unpredictable benevolence of the Judge. It is above all an inner weight which, placed on the scales, can bring them to sink down (Balthasar)."

Joe
May 6, 2009 2:50 PM

"We also used "Dare We Hope That All Men Be Saved" by Hans urs Von Balthasar."

Since this remains an uncercurrent seldom forthrightly addressed, I would be interested to discover just how Ratzinger addresses the issue of sin, judgement, redemption, and the role our positive and negative responses play. I would assume a Balthasarian approach has to soft peddle sin a but, but Ratzinger has never seemed like he did in the past, and now I notice A Balthasarian publishing house like Ignatius publishing Calvinist Alan Jacobs book on original sin!

DML
May 6, 2009 4:26 PM

Providing a cohesive unifying eschatology that can bring together the themes set forth by the Psalmist, the Deuteronomist, Daniel/Paul, the Evangelists and Jesus himself is a tall order indeed. This can only be done successfully and honestly by leaving behind the concept of 'unity of scripture'. It actually gets a lot easier to understand then.

TSO
May 6, 2009 6:49 PM

FYI to Bill Bannon on Ananias and Saphira:

"The grave punishment was exemplary, to show the respect due to the Church, and preserve discipline, both so necessary for the persecuted infant community. Ananias and Saphira had received the Holy Spirit and many graces, 'yet it is to be believed that after this life God spared them, for his mercy is great'. (St. Aug. Sermon. 148)

Gerard Nadal
May 7, 2009 1:23 AM

Amy,

I've studied lots of heavy theology in the past and even in the present. Ratzinger is different. Whenever I read him, I feel like I'm on retreat. God whispers His Love through Joseph Ratzinger/Pope Benedict. Reading him, I feel the burning the disciples on the road to Emmaus felt when they encountered the risen Christ.

Your Name
May 7, 2009 10:38 AM

I'm well over my allotment of comments per one thread but this post reminds me of something in the new Christopher Buckley memoir.

Turns out WFB was sorely tempted to commit suicide, going so far to Jesuitically explore how he could kill himself without culpability.

But I remind myself that there is no sin in temptation. It's part of the human condition. To be "disappointed" in WFB for wanting to take a pill to end it makes about as much sense as being "disappointed" in Christ for feeling forsaken by his Father or for longing for food at the end of his forty day fast in the desert. Christ came in part to offer us his solidarity.

bill bannon
May 7, 2009 11:05 AM
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TSO
Perhaps sermon 148 was about the same time in his life that Augustine was getting a bit more merciful to the unbaptized infants...lol. So if we accept Augustine on Ananias et al, then the early Christian community was in part fooled by a pretend disaster into fear of the Lord since the actors in the play merely left this life but passed into glory. I'm not ruling it out but Augustine should have cleaned up the sermon therefore to include there being some great recompense within purgatory prior to Ananias' glory otherwise we have a Protestant once saved always saved moment herein...no wonder the counter Reformation had Church experts go over Augustine's works when the Protestants and later the Jansenists showed love for him.

So had Augustine been standing in the church when Ananias and his wife were killed and buried without space for repentance, Augustine would have been less fearful than everyone else...in fact it seems he would have smiled at their glory whereas the passage says that the community took fear.

TSO
May 7, 2009 12:12 PM

Bill, not saying I disagree with you on the substance, more on your depiction of Augustine as not in continuity with current thinking. That sermon would seem to show that the idea of trying to make things sound more palatable goes back a lot longer than you suggest.

bill bannon
May 7, 2009 2:28 PM
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TSO
Got it..now. I was thinking more of him as relates Judas where his sermon does place Judas in hell. So your sermon 148 is even more interesting in light of his position on Judas: he is severe with Judas as is called for by Christ's words and yet he is lenient on Ananias and Sapphira/ in the Judas case there is text to support severity yet in the Ananias case, there is no text to support leniency so therein he was on his own.

JPAC
May 7, 2009 9:43 PM

Gerard, I second your comments and add a sincere "Thank You God for the Gift of Ratzinger" every time I open one of his books. His ability to take complex truths and transmit them so that we, the laity, can understand them is refreshing. Also, he can seem as if he's going astray than -- Bam -- he brings it right back to his original thought. A perpetual student of life's delight!

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