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Brad Hirschfield currently blogs on Windows and Doors.
Author, radio and TV talk show host, and President of CLAL-The National Jewish Center for Learning and Leadership, Brad Hirschfield is the author of You Don’t Have To Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism. Listed as one of the nation’s 50 most influential rabbis in Newsweek, and a regular commentator on Court TV, he is the creator of the popular series, Building Bridges, airing on Bridges TV, and the co-host of the weekly radio show, Hirschfield and Kula.
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Dear Rabbi Eliyahu Stern, Yhe stark and dark truth is that these people ,Governments and religions,willing let the Holocaust happen.They secretly wished that Germany would accomplsh the task and then they could follow suit.It was not,for the most part, an open or advertised approuval but a secret,a sesret that to this day most western Gov'ts want to continue to hide.This is not a fantasy of my creation but fact. Problem is,many of these fact are hard to prove.Just one example is the date claimed by the U.S.A. as to their knowledge of the Holocaust,it's a true date in one respect only.ie: the Government oficially recognized what was happening.That knowledge,and other information was withheld from Congress and the American people.There are so many,that it is quite frightening. bonniejocklennon
"many of these fact are hard to prove" Sounds like the "holocaust" itself.
I'm sure you know that if you can convince people to believe in such gruesome fairy tales, you can convince them to believe any manner of nonsense. ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Furher = Jews, Israel, Sharon
That the Holocaust happened is undeniable fact. Thank God the Germans were such good recordkeepers. Their mania for order extended down to the smallest details including meticulous records.
Also, why did they feel it was necessary to destroy the gas chambers in Auschwitz in 1945 as the Russians approached from the East? If these were benign places of sanitation, why destroy them?
The evidence of criminal activity is revealed by the acts of concealment, and "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
Personally I can't believe that there is any doubt of the Holocaust. I've had the priviledge of spending some time with Holocaust survivors and hearing first hand the horrors that went on during that time. I wish all non-believers could meet some of these extraordinary people. Just having lived through it makes them extraordinary. It upsets me greatly that such atrocities were allowed to happen then and still occur today. Maybe not to the same degree, but still worldwide, we have people wanting to (and coming close to) eliminating entire groups of people. Why? What are they thinking? I'm glad to be blessed with a G-d that is loving to all peoples. I thank G-d that there is no more hatred in our world than there is. I seriously want to know what I, as an individual can do to stop this. I vote, but our leaders never seem to do what they say or simply turn their heads unless the people in trouble have something valuable to us. ie-oil. We have to each and every one, speak of and pray for peace. Take our outer covers off, and we are all the same. We need to get to know and understand each other. Our world is getting smaller. It's certain that we will be spending more time together in the future. Wouldn't it be nice if we could enjoy it? Peace- C
Jews, unlike canaries, can fight back.
Holocaust deniers remind me of 'flat-Earthers'.
Gail
And possibly, the poor are the canaries of the US. Over the past quarter-century, not only have they lost basic humanitarian aid, but we now judge the poor as being something less than the rest.This has gone beyond mere perception;the poor here are treated in a manner that violates the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights (and yes, I do know that the US was a rare example of a nation that refused to ratify this agreement). Further, they have been stripped of many of their fundamental legal rights, making the perception of inferiority a matter of public policy and law. We now warehouse millions in prison for offences that would never result in incarceration for the wealthy. Over the past ten years, a number of policies have been turning the poor into a "subsidized" labor force, paid less than the legal minimum wage. Our celebrated welfare "reform" policies include a provision that allows the government (via DHHS) to "take indefinite custody" of the children of the poor on a range of possible accusations that DO NOT need to first be proved. Taken a step further (at least in WI), the poor no longer have the right to legally contest a DHHS decision to take his/her children.
My point here is that, step by step, America has been moving in the same direction, for many of the same reasons, as Germany in the 20's and 30's, targeting the poor instead of Jews and other ethnic minorities. We need to ask where/if this process will end. Will our government, a few years from now, set up special "work camps" for the very poor, where they are imprisoned, forced to work for their keep? It really isn't impossible to imagine how, a few decades down the road, we will be dealing with those who are too old, ill or "rebellious" to accept their workfare assignments. This would be done for the sake of our economy, no doubt.
Many would think that is too "far-fetched". Is it? All it takes to succeed is the silence/indifference of the majority.
I'm reading this and all I'm thinking two things; The Iranian President has a poor use of tired retoric, and it's not the Jews that are being decimated now. This begs the question, "What are "we" doing about and for the populations that are being targeted by war, disease and famine?" Will we yell so loudly for others as we do for ourselves?
"We Jews are the canaries of the world. In a society in which Jews are attacked, no one is safe." What a load of crap. What sheer unadulterated arrogance. Since when are Jews any more special or worthy than any other ethnic/religious group? Case in point: if the state of Israel were stop existing tomorrow, the Jews would still exist in Palestine, New York, and in other places in the world just as they do now. They don't need "Israel" to exist as a people. If that were true, then the Kurdish would have disappeared along time ago, as they do not have a state of their own. And lest anyone dismiss me as a "holocaust denier", let me just say that I absolutely believe that Jews were killed by the Nazis, just as I believe the Nazis killed whole bunch of other people, including allied troops, and the lives of these others are no less important than the Jewish ones. Finally, I would just like to add that the state of Israel has around 300 nuclear bombs (even though Israel denies this fact), and that Iran as such does not pose a threat. And even if Iran got the bomb, it would be no different than Pakistan (another Islamic country) having the bomb. My suggestion to Israel: make peace with the Palestinians by setting up an independent and continuous Palestinian State, so that Iran and the other opportunists have one less excuse to threaten Israel's existence.
Israel, or should I say "Judah" your nation is mainly of Judah and Benjamin. There ARE 10 other Israelite nations that according to Genesis 49:, Are in the end times, (NOW) to exist. Joseph's sons to be(now is) a powerful nation, and company of nations, Do you deny the USA and Britain are your brothers? The USA and Britain came to your national salvation in WW2. Our common God will, after so much destruction to come, return to save our peoples, Look up, Israel, It is coming soon!!
I agree with most of what the seven previous commentors wrote but I would like to emphasize that it is the duty of each individual person to build toward a more perfect world. The blase and evil leaders of the governmental and corporate entities who allow, sometimes even promote and effect, the inhumane treatment of other humans can only get away with it because we the people allow it to happen. Nobody said it would be easy and without cost but we should all remember the poem with the line, "...and when they came for the trade unionists and I was not a trade unionist, I did not care.
The Jews need Israel. During and right after WWII, no one, no country, wanted to take in the Jews, knowing full well what was going in the Nazi Germany. To state otherwise is at best, delusional, and at worst, a bald faced lie.
About Susan's unfortunate post: Israel almost certainly has made nuclear weapons, but it is almsot certain that Israel has not made 300 such weapons. There are at most about twenty targets worth an atomic bomb within striking distance of Israel. These targets are certainly well thought through and are targets that would stop an invasion of Israel quickly. There probably are senarios played out in Israeli military circles of the Musim Brotherhood taking over in Egypt, and attacking Israel with large forces with Israel pushed to extremis and taking out the Aswan Dam sending Lake Nasser into the Meditarranean along with most of the population of Egypt. The capitals of Syria. Jordan, and Iran might also be legitimate targets for nuclear strikesn in case of war, and there might be a few other targets with a few extra weapons to keep for redundancy. The battlefield use of nuclear weapons also mandates that Israel have a few extra, but it is just screwy to think that Israel would want 300 such weapons. About Jews living in Palestine if Israel were to fall: This is wishful thinking. The Jews of Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Lebanon have been persecuted and driven out of these countries. The invasion of Iraq found that of the approximately 150,000 Jews in Iraq in 1948 less than 100 remained. The figures for most other M.E. countries are similar. An arab conquest of Israel would certainly result in a bloodbath, but I dont' think Susan cares about this.
Wow, some of these are pretty amazing and ignorant. To the one who believes the Holocaust did not happen...Do you believe the world is flat? How could something so huge have been made up? How could so many people in so many countries in so many religions be wrong? Go meet a survivor. Actually go meet a non-jew survivor of the war who lived in Germany or Poland and THEY WILL tell you it happened. We all need to wake up to our own backyard (USA) as well as what others wround the world in power say. These are tired times we live in where people will do anything to move ahead. Now more then ever we need to work together. Lets put the pressure to clean up the media to give truth not this dis-information they chose to tell us. If we as a people, not just Jew, Christian, Muslim or whatever our choice, step up and speak up for human rights it would be a much better place. But WE ALL need to start! Not just ONE person! Not just the rhetoric tossed around! But all together. Start with your own family and go from there. Pay it forward people...
I don't know who denied the holocaust on this board, but I know it wasn't me. I stated that the Nazis did kill Jews, along with many others, and that the lives of these others are no less important than the Jews who died.
One can only be cocnerned that Jews and Israel must continue to demand a right to exist. The new enemy is revisionist history and cultural relativism. One can only be concerned that there are people who must delve into the "secrets" of Zionism, or look to a relativism of equivalence in the Nazi madness and its bizarre efficiency of death. Of course it was tragic that every day of World War II 29,000 people died be they Poles, Czechs, Russians, Romanians, Hungarians, French, Italians, Brits, Scots, Canadians, Ukranians, Dutch, Danes, Finns, Norwegians, Canadians, Americans,Serbs, Croats, Kurds, and whoever else I missed. But no where was there a fierceness to exterminate every man, woman, or child such as was seen in the efforts of the Nazi death machine and its allies to seek, find and exterminate every Dutch Jew, Polish Jew, Russian Jew, Ukranian Jew, Italian Jew, French Jew, Norwegian Jew, Hungarian Jew, Croatian Jew, Romanian Jew, and on and on to any nationality-Jew within the grasp of the Nazis killing machine and its allies. And it would have continued everywhere in the world including Britain and America if the Nazis had been victorious. The ovens were made for Jews, and the world watched the ovens being made and being used. Zyclon B was made for Jews after bullets and automobile exhaust were found to be inefficient killing tools of Jews. It is the continued existence of Israel and its fierce determination to survive, that denies the Nazis killing machine its victory and bears witness to the holocaust.
Yes. Jews ARE the "canaries" of the world. Judaism has a sweet song....but unfortunately, the world cages us, (sometimes, quite literally....no, ACTUALLY!). and, like the canaries in the mines, we are the first to feel hatred and death. A comedian whose name escapes me at the monent said it best: "Jews have been CHOSEN for so many bad things, I wish they'd choose somebody else, sometimes." I've just been listening to TVLAND's review of famous TV catchprhases. One of them seem to go right to my own heart, Paraphrased, one is: "Silly Jewish Person -- Christmas Joys are for CHRISTIANS". ("Silly rabbit...TRIX is for klids"), and "Christians don't have more fun....they have ALL the fun!) ("Do blondes have more fun?")
Being Jewish is no piece of cake. Personally, I see no advantage in it whatsoever -- the chance of the Holocaust and/or the Inquisition reappearing is always there, and in the meantime, the FEAR of these things happening can truly make on paranoid. I begin to wonder if it's true, what someone once said to me, "Thank goodness for the Anti-semites...if it wasn't for them, the Jewish people would never stick together." Is Judaism so poor in spiritual rewards, that FEAR is the only thing to keep Jews together? It certainly seems to be quite poor in material rewards...and, like it or not, we ARE living in a material world!
I'D RATHER CHOOSE, THAN BE CHOSEN, PERSONALLY. I'm sort of a "Willian Shatner" Jew...can't deny my Jewishness, but I don't make too big a thing of it. "Leonard Nimoy" Jews LOVE being Jewish, and thats OK too.. I suppose my bottom line is this: I DON'T like being Jewish. But I also don't like anyone telling me how to live my life. So -- if someone else, (for whatever reasons), actually wants to be Jewish...who am I to tell them not to be? Live and let live is my motto, I guess.
Holccaust Deniers trap themselves very neatly. No one ever denies anything that is good. So, in denying the Holocaust happened, they are actually giving it credence! Yes, it happened. And it did not "only" happen to 300,000 people, as some say. A wiser man than I -- ANDY ROONEY, on 60 Minutes, said the momenteous words, "It Happened", on the "60 Minutes" show one day...and he should know....because he saw it all first-hand, as an American soldier and concentration-camp liberator. A neighbour of mine, a US wWII vet, was also a concentration-camp liberator -- and it probably had a double-meaning to him, as my neighbour, like myself, is Jewish. The evidence--from WWII films of camps being liberated, to Steven Speilberg's continuing project, "Voices of the Shoah", shows, more each day, that indeed, the Holocaust DID happen. I feel that Holocaust deniers should be asked a SECOND questioln...the answer to which is, perhaps, as -- or even more important, right now, than the answer to the first question. The Holocaust is HISTORY...until a time-machine is invented, we cannot undo the horror. But a second question also should be asked. And that is: DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED? And even a third question: DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD EVER HAPPEN AGAIN? The answers to THESE quesions would show how a person feels NOW. Do we have the courage to ask them? I feel we must!
"Jews are the canaries of the world". Yes, that about says it, and I'm very glad it's finally been officially noted. If caged canaries were taken into the mines, so that if there was gas there, they weould smell it first...and so die, instead of the human miners....WHO, in their right mind, would want to be a "human canary" for the rest of humanity? Oh, one might be proud of being part of the "Chosen" people....but chosen for what? To die, to test the relative humanity OF Humanity at any given time? If one wishes to be a martyr, why not just join the Peace Corps or go into the Armed Forces, and risk life and limb for helping the poor and oppressed of the world....without becoming a living target for any idiot prejudiciced person...without necessarily helping others? Why continue this burden on one's desendents?
I've heard a story of a man who did NOT want his son circumsized. The boy was born in the 1920s. When, later, the Nazis came and asked him to drop his pants, (or probably tore them off)--voila! No missing fore-skin! The boy was left alone!
As an American with dreams, I CHOOSE to be a "peacock", and not a "canary". Princess Grace is my heroine..not Anne Frank, who was a victim of choices others had made. Not just Nazis, either. Her own ancestors had "chosen" to stay Jewish...and, in the eyes of the rest of the world, stay damned. Though I respect everyone's choice, I cannot understand why anyone would want to be even a figurative "canary". Why can't we all realize the TRUTH: that EVERYONE IS THE SAME: A HUMAN BEING! One God equals One Hunmanity!
Or perhaps not a peacock. On second thought, I'd far much rather be a swan. Graceful, above the fray, giving no opinions and taking no part in political or social conflict. SO perfect, SO serene. SO totally, delightfully un-Jewish. Yes! I'd much prefer to be swan, rather than a loud peacock, and certainly, certainly prefer to be a serene swan than a poor little victimized canary! I still can't, for the life of me, see why anyone would actually Want to be a "Canary of the World"....but, as was mentioned on the television programme, "Star Trek", 'There's no accounting for taste.'.
Yes, Grace Kelly, Her Serene (!) Highness Grace of Monaco, DID die. But while she was alive, she was loved and admired. She was NO? afraid of being hated or discriminated against. She was "High Irish" to begin with....then a venerated Princess. Is there something called "High Jewish"? I doubt it....the Cohens and the Levites were sent to the concentration camps, and endured the pograms, along with every other Jewish person. Money didn't help them either. Indeed, Jews ARE the canaries of the world. I hope I may be forgiven that I have higher hopes, and higher ambitions than that, for myself and those I love. Of course, I've seen too many variations in Jews...in Jewish People...to believe in any of the stupid anti-semitic stereotypes of the world. But to have these stereotypes visited upon myself and my loved ones? Not if I can help it! But I suppose -- rebellious and infuriated though I am -- I will stay Jewish....if only to prove to the anti-semites of the world that Jews are NOT all alike! I see Judaism as a RELIGION ONLY. And I truly believe that Jews are no better and no worse than anyone else. Just people. As varied as William Shatner and Jerry Lewis and Aba Eban and Meyer Lansky and Dinah Shore, (the daughter of a rabbi who NEVER let it be known that she was Jewish). And Muriel Siebert....SO estranged from Judiasm that she was not included in a large, coffee-table book of Jewish women. And Golda Meyier. The only thing these people had in common is that they were/are all Jewish. But I can't want that for myself. I prefer the "Swan's Life". Can I have it, and stay Jewish too? I don't know. But if I have to choose, I have no doubt whatsoever that I would choose to be the Swan, and never the canary!