Hagee Haters Delight

You go guy. You took the words in my mind and made them articulate. Sir take a bow I look forward to reading these posts more often. You have my respect and awe. dolphine2u

I just checked You Tube and it still has Hagee giving hate speeches. He praises hate; he says G-d hates; Hagee promotes hate towards Gays. Hagee says that most Christians and all non-Christians are hated by G-d and are going to Hell. We are not talking about some inadvertent comment by a Shock Jock. Hagee has persisted in preaching hate against Gays, Catholics, and non-Christians for years and years. The man actually urges people to hate.

Hagee calls the Catholic Church a whore, but who is really the whore? Who is paid a lot of money to ignore the hatred and violence Hagee stirs up against Gays and Catholics? Unless one believes like Hagee believes and also hates Gays, Catholics, and non-Christians, then that person who keeps his mouth shut in order to get money is a whore. Is there another words for it?

Hagee is a minion of the great serpent in my mind. he distorts the bible to fit his own perverted view of justice and condemns all who don't think as he does.

I don't hate him, I pity him because he actually believes the dung he tries to sell as Christianity. More regrettable is the fact that so many God-fearing, bible thumping Christians fall for his garbage and think he is a prophet.

True Christians and Faithful Jews don't believe him and do not fall for his tirades. Just because he shared the ride with Jews in Israel doesn't mean he is their fiend, he just wanted to spread his brand of theology and make money on the tours.

Rabbi Hirschfield,

Your commentaries are excellent and timely, especially in a day and age where religious ideologies have the potential to ignite flames whose dance owes its very genesis to proximity of those suffering from Apocalyptic panting, sadistic ego needs,and the stimulated by the symbolic expression of the death instinct. It is high time we as a species subject to the external products of these movements of Spirit come to grips with It through a theologian and a philosopher, as an artist with equal status of a Spielburg, Pollock, Matthews, Hagee, and more, moving the conversation up a notch,like the magnet separating the iron filings from the pile of wood chips. Methods to increase the magnetism are found in the work you do, and you have my vote for further elevation animated by the public interest and magnetized by the goal of further and fuller understanding of both our selves and the subject matter of Spirit ItSelf.

Steps towards adequately reshaping Spirit in a manner as applicable to the farmer in central China to the Native American on the chains painted and substantiated by reason dictated by the imperialistic pallettes of Europo-Centric ancestry thwart genuine ecumencal advance because of our own brands of Spiritual Imperialism. In short, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Muslem, Jewish or other denominations retreat "forward" only to find themselves no further ahead than the point which intiate their departures. Directly related to your generalized points, whose importance cannot be overemphasized,namely:

1.Being controversial and being evil is not the same thing, no matter how prevalent that slippage is in contemporary discourse about politics and religion.

2.There is much to criticize about John Hagee's beliefs or the beliefs of any religious group that believes its way, is the only way and that everything else is second best, at best. But lots of religious people, communities, and systems would fail that test, including many Jews and understandings of Judaism.

In modern theology this is what Hegel defined as the Third Reality of Spirit (Phenomenology of Spirit, 683), which is interpretted as Revealed Religion. It means the theological underpinnings of a religion or religions that feel they are the product of the final metamorphosis of Spirit.

Begging the question: What does anything this abstract have to do with the scope and depth of our current conversation, the current situation in the world, and the ecumenical movement,letalone the respponsibility we as theologians,philosophers, thinkers, artists and citizens of the world in general?

What types of issues does this effect? More focally, fifty-one million people lost their lives between 1930 and 1945, when a real artist by the name of Adolph Hitler, understood what the music and/or symbolic expression in a Master Class Artistic Medium of Richard Wagner had done in terms of resurrecting certain Spirits in and conditioning the collective psyche of the Germanic Tribes. This was compounded by a lack of understanding regarding what Hegel meant by the Third Reality of Spirit, and allowed Christianity to justify The Third Reich. This equation of the Third Reality of Spirit1 with The Third Reich allowed German Theologians to justify the spiritual substantiation of Adolph Hitler’s regime through Christianity. Making the point in the present tense, The President of The United States, and the Prime Ministers of Britain, Israel, Iran, Syria, Iraq, and other countries of the world are involved in the overt continuance of this deadly puppet game forwarding the Abrahamic Apocalypse. Islamic, Jewish, and Christian religions feel their religions are the final moment of Spirit, and feel they have the god given knowledge to enact their prophecies to the point of killing their morally wrong opponents.

Of course all this would be unnecessary if we understoodthe development of the nuclear fission theorem is the onset of the Age of the Apocalypse and Tutankaten/amen is the actual Second Coming.

Hope you did not miss it!

For Christians, Moslems,and Jews of the Third Reality just confide in the comfort of Joseph Stalin who said,one murder is a tragedy, one million is just a statistic!

Best Wishes on an Evolved Spirituality! For I believe that is all it is...A Wish...With no substance.

I just wanted to say you people had better watch what you say or do to God's people. I have watch Pastor John Hagee and he is a wonderful Preacher. God said touch not my annointed and do my prophet no harm. I know that he and his family are God's people.

It seems to me that we live in the age of the sound bite. And sometimes the bite is worse than the total 'bark.' (sorry for punning)

Hagee, in the times I have seen bits of his services on TV as I skip through the channels, does not come across as a monster, an idiot, or a raver, any more than any preacher; probably less.

When the Hitler sound bite came out, that's all you heard. No one wanted to hear the entirety of the piece. Neither did I. It sounds hideous to any sane person to say Hitler is the cause of Jews finally getting their homeland back. It sounds no more hideous to say that my existence is a direct result of Hitler's actions. But it's true. Had the war not taken place, my father would not have lost his first wife, would not have met my mother, would not have had me. So, thanks, Adolph. I think.

Eastcoast lady, I apologize for trivializing to you a terrible piece of history to vent my own troubles. My family too lost many members. I never knew my grandparents, many uncles, aunts, cousins and others. My introduction to this news was at an age too young to understand it, only to hear and absorb it as a fact. Maybe for me that was a better thing. Had I been old enough to feel the loss, I would be more bitter than I already am. The question I raise is this; if we have free will as humans, and if G-D has a plan for us that we are to dim to fathom, does His plan and our free will jive? Or, was the plan only the basic creation and we are then responsible for everything else that happens? I suffer from survivor's guilt even though I was not there. I was a product of the evil.

How should I feel? How should Hagee feel? How should humanity feel for having allowed this monster to gain enough power to do this? Why does it take a tragedy to make the rest of humanity wake up and (say if not actually do, given Yugoslavia, Darfur, Rwanda, et al) not let it happen again? But, having happened, a lot of people start putting words into G-D's mouth as to what he was planning, thinking, doing, (or not) to us.

Hagee's words favoring the Jews, much like some other religious leaders and lay people of the Christian community, sometimes bother me. Why does my Christian friend have to say how much he respects the Jews? I am often bothered by this statement. What's behind it? Will this make me feel strongly enough to move to Israel, fulfilling his prophesy and bring the second coming closer for his rapture? It doesn't do a thing for mine.

Sometimes, I think all religious organizations are the cause of evil and pain. Whose is the right way? Whose is wrong? Who's to say? A pox on all their houses. And in case they haven't figured out, we were all made (if true) in G-D's image. How many images does He have? Could they all be right or all be wrong? Or maybe, we should allow the diversity and recognize, respect and honor it, given He made us all.

My sarcasm is my reaction to the reverence we give the word and not the people. Their actions speak louder than words. I wish their actions be silent.

Marty Roy,
My sincere thanks for your post responding to mine.

I knew you weren't actually trying to trivialize the Holocaust. And yet, as you wrote, while I try very hard not to live my life embittered (somehow, my mother in particular managed a remarkably productive life, free from a chip on her shoulder, although she certainly deserves to carry one), I (perhaps selfishly) feel a sense of being cheated, and lingering sense of loss. Every time I work with my kids write their schoolwork for English and Social Studies on the Holocaust, my parents' loss and suffering come through loud and clear. And with the remaining population of Holocaust survivors aging and dwindling, I fear the rise ever more of Holocaust deniers and those who would cheapen and diminish the crime and tragedy of what happened.

And I so wholeheartedly agree with everything else in your post, from your paragraph about why I should feel anything but derision from those Christians who say they "respect" Judaism, as though I have earned a prize; to the contempt I feel for those who think they actually know what G-d's word is and put words in His mouth as though only one interpretation exists and they're wise enough to know what it is; to your statement about "a pox on all their houses" about the number of times they state "well, we can't all be right!", a sickening, self-righteous statement I have been personally told (either by Witnesses or others trying to convert me) more times that I care to remember; to your desire for us all to enjoy our diversity; and everything else.

You have eloquently put into words what I have been thinking and feeling for most of my life, and this from someone who has grown up in a cosmopolitan area my entire life, very diverse religiously and ethnically as well as economically. I appreciate all your thoughts.

Sorry to blather on, but just one thing...

I do believe deeply in G-d, am equally committed to Judaism (though admittedly not very observant - is that a contradiction?), and I don't generally feel embittered.

Sometimes I just don't understand, and need to accept that that is just the way it has to be. With the gifts of my life I have, including my mother living to have great-grandchildren and a family who loves each other, to my own wonderful immediate family and everything else in it, I accept the silver lining emerging from tragedy theory that you presented in your original post, allowing you to experience the very joy of life itself.

why can't you spell the word god on here are you ashamed to let me know why you put g-d

Jews don't refer to god by name. Saying or writing the name of god is seen as disrespectful or (if a more learned Jewish biblical scholar than I might assist here) worse.

In one case, the name used is "HaShem" which is Hebrew for "The Name". There is no use of the name Jehovah, Yahweh, etc.

Other ways of refering to Him are Elohainu (our god) Elohim (the plural of god) Adonai (my lord), none of which are names per se. Ad to these, The Almighty, etc. and you see the carry-over to English.

I hope this helps.